And we all know it's your self-assumed mission to JUDGE.
Have fun sitting on your butt while making fun of people who believe in DOING, as opposed to your and Obama's hot air.
Thanks for the laugh!
Posted on 04/11/2009 3:21:50 AM PDT by Zakeet
I can't answer for them but the tea parties are just the start if you ask me. Tar and feathers will be the next step IMO.
Yeah, I knew you would say something fuzzy and nebulous like that because it's become quite clear you lack the personal integrity to admit you are completely lacking any goal by which to be judged useful or useless.
I suppose now I'll have to read another one of your tiresome attempts to borrow someone else's cleverness by again inventing a similarity between myself and "the dissenter" or whatever it is.
I understand how proud you are of that shiney, new, rhetorical hammer of yours, but you don't earn yourself any credibility by acting as if every problem you have is a nail.
And we all know it's your self-assumed mission to JUDGE.
Have fun sitting on your butt while making fun of people who believe in DOING, as opposed to your and Obama's hot air.
Thanks for the laugh!
Well, I’m going to one, although it will be difficult.
I feel like if they are well attended it will get notice in the press.
If nothing else, it might wake up some diddlers in the current congress to the fact that much public sentiment is against them and they might want to be careful about following too closely in Obama’s footsteps.
It’s amazing how much attention someone can get who has nothing constructive to add to a thread but is simply negative and provocative.
Who do you think you're kidding? You have to hop around like a jumping bean to avoid answering my one and only question. And now you try the "judgmental" schtick, like a little girl that ran out of "it's not fair"s?
You see, that is what I meant about personal integrity. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you couldn't rest till you found an exception.
Examples?
When Rosa Parks decided NOT to give up her seat on an Alabama bus - the modern civil rights movement was born. The "message" of social equality for all races has moved through time - you can see it all around you. Well, those of us who grew up in a time before Rosa Parks can see it. The country got better because of her action.
When the movement became active, everyone - almost everyone - in the black community was involved. By the '70's the movement had changed - and true community involvement stopped. I remember a friend called me up in the late 70's and ask me to go to an NAACP meeting with her. She said the press was going to be there and they needed people in the chairs to make it look like "people cared". Truth was - they didn't.
The civil rights issues that had brought the vast majority of people in, had been won.
After that people drifted away.
The modern civil rights movement ended ( in my opinion ) when Raines of the New York Times tried to gin up some big "civil rights" issue over wealthy blacks and some golf club thing - something waaaay past it's time.
I've often thought the MSM missed the civil rights movement at the beginning - when it was really cutting edge and exciting - and they kept wanting to go back and not miss it...
Martin Buber felt people needed power to accomplish good. But that when the good was accomplished, there would be people who wouldn't want to give up the power - and that's the point where power would be corrupted. When it's power for it's own sake - and not power to accomplish the goal. Jessee Jackson falls into that category for me. His "shake downs" are a symptom of the debasement.
It was the same with the women's movement. It started out with women from all walks of life fighting for things like equal pay - and ended up as hard core lesbians fighting to fight - keeping the power.
It's kind of how movements work. If the tea parties are successful - and our country becomes financially more responsible, in 20 years you'll have power brokers with established "organizations" spending great effort to accomplish limited new "financial responsibility"....
FreeRepublic is another example of a natural movement. Early members knew there was some risk involved with standing up to the Clintons - things could have turned out differently if the "vast right wing conspiracy" hadn't been exposed as the joke it was. And this site was instrumental in that. That idea has come down to our time and safeguards us even now. There are others - but I've already written too long - and I think you see what I'm talking about...
Yeah, when you're the only one that won't bow to the idol, that happens.
The really smart guy on this thread is the one that said don't bother him till you're ready to march.
I believe the underlying, overall message these tea parties are trying to convey is simply, “Don’t tread on me.”
It encompasses all that is wrong with government.
Well I won’t argue with you, but I don’t see how any of those things show “real” movements are some kind of existential lightning strike.
The “choice” movement was damn sure real, and that was orchestrated from day one.
Great quote, thanks.
I believe you are absolutely correct. I also believe our government will not hesitate for one instant to "call" on that bid.
You can (and probably will) say the same thing about what I'm doing tomorrow.
I'm going to church....and not for any goal that I can be judged o by you.
The real goal of the Tea Parties is to let people know that we're aware of what Obama is trying to do.
He thinks that bankrupting the country and taxing our families all the way down to great grandchildren yet to be born with huge debts, is something he can slip by us, unnoticed. That's why he is in such a huge hurry to get it done before it's too late to stop him.
The Tea Parties say "WE NOTICE" and if it results in no more than a few seconds of discomfort for him....mission accomplished!
Not doing so would make me his accomplice...you're either for what he's doing, or against it.
You might say that what one person does makes no difference....but the ones add up, just like in an election.
Secondly, other people seeing the Tea Parties might just stop and think...."hey he's gonna' be taxing my family to death too!"
You're theory that public demonstrations never work crashes when you consider how well it worked for the civil rights movement.
I mentioned no such theory. I simply think THIS public demonstration isn't going to work.
"Why" you might ask? Because forty years of watching and being involved with the pro-life movement has me convinced as soon as skulls start getting cracked, and if there's any success they will, the vast majority will run home and claim their cowardice is actually avoiding the "wackos."
I know why the pro-lifers stayed peaceful to a fault: you guys will have no such excuse.
If we are doomed, I repeat my original (and so far, still unanswered) question to you: What is your, much better, plan?
Doing nothing is what got us here, so that's not a plan.
Then you still need to wake up
People get motivated to act by first having a common cause. Then, they need to know they arent alone. Then, they need someone to step forward to take command and lead
Then, they need to follow.
NONE of that would happen if people did what you want. We would sit back on our collective asses and wait for some perfect plan.
There is no perfect plan. There is only action and inaction.
I answered your question. It just wasn't the answer you wanted. What part of "I don't need to have a plan (that I'll broadcast on the internet) to know YOURS won't work" do you not understand! Michelangelo, paint jobs, ring any bells?
And that, most honorable FReeper, is where the plan will fall apart.
NONE of that would happen if people did what you want. We would sit back on our collective asses and wait for some perfect plan.
Incorrect, we would sit back on our collective asses until we found a way to maintain cohesion after the state brings its police powers to bear.
Do you really think Americans are capable of following tactical orders in pursuit of a strategic goal without some sort of bootcamp type process?
You wanna check who needs to "wake up" again?
Unlike you, I don't believe in ridiculing what other people, who are doing their best, want to try and I'll be joining them whether it works or not.
Heaven forbid if we all sat on our thumbs like you suggest.
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