Posted on 04/13/2009 5:14:23 AM PDT by Scanian
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, announced last week that she wants to register guns. Her next move will be to try to confiscate them.
The speaker picked a television show with a viewership of 4.6 million to float the Democrats' coming gun-control push. Questioned on ABC's "Good Morning America" about the prospect of new gun-control laws now that "it's a Democratic president, a Democratic House," she responded, "We don't want to take their guns away. We want them registered."
Politicians and bureaucrats routinely claim that registration helps solve crimes. If a registered gun is used in a crime and left at the crime scene, registration supposedly lets the police trace the gun back to the criminal. Though this turn of events might work on fictional TV crime shows, it virtually never occurs in real life. Criminals' guns are rarely left at crime scenes. When guns are left behind, it usually is because a crook has been seriously injured or killed and the police are poised to catch him anyway.
The few guns left at crime scenes rarely - if ever - are registered to the perpetrator. If they are registered at all, it is to someone else, whose piece was stolen. Despite what Mrs. Pelosi might think, those who use guns to commit major crimes such as robbing and killing are unlikely to respect her request to file paperwork so the government can catalog the tools of their trade.
Numerous examples disprove gun-control propaganda. Hawaii has had licensing and registration of guns for about 50 years.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
We knew they were going to try this...
I don’t own a gun, but don’t you have to give you name and information to buy a gun? Basically isn’t this some sort of registration? I keep telling my husband we need to go and buy a gun for me, my daughter and him.
I wish they’d hold off a bit longer - I’ve been trying to save for a shed, and I keep having to use the money to buy more guns before they DO register them, and I really need the shed...
I have heard that gun control issues are usually very toxic from a political perspective—I’m surprised that Pelosi would try this.
Yeah, right. Didn't they do that in California with the SKS rifle? "We just want to know where they are." Then, ops guess what...They're now illegal. Turn them in or you'll be an instant felon.
At a gun show, I don’t think you have to give your information.
The left always will work to (1) destroy our military (2) take our guns (3) increase taxes and (4) grow the size of government.
Rather than try to catch the perp, registration means that fedgov (or your insurance carrier) can impose a “strict liability” law (or policy rider) that means that if a gun registered to you is used in a crime, you are liable for damages and possible criminal liability (since YOU let the criminal get access to the gun through your negligence- a measly 4” thick concrete-steel safe with biometric crypto locks).
Plus, homeowner insurance companies can be pressured by fedgov or their underwriters (AIG) to drop coverage of registrants, or impose huge liability contingency fees.
So with registration comes perhaps a $2000 annual fee to keep your S&W 41 target gun.
Best way to illuminate the issue for now is to ask the proponents just how registration reduces crime, and keep drilling down until specifics emerge, or the blank-stare ignorance you get from hoplophobes.
Guns? Gun registration? What guns? I never had one or would I own any of those dangerous things.
I'm disgusted, but not surprised. Pelosi has always deomonstrated that dangerous combination of being power-hungry while not being very bright.
If guns get registered, you will see newspapers publishing the “list” just like they do in some places for CCW holders. This will provide an easy shopping list for thieves looking for firearms registered to someone else. Very dangerous idea, that will do NOTHING to reduce crime. Just ask someone how registration reduces crime—there is no good answer.
“”At a gun show, I don’t think you have to give your information.””””
That is incorrect. You might find the occasional private seller, but the guys at the tables are almost always FFL dealers so you have to fill out all the paperwork right there.
The “gun show loophole” is an urban myth perpetuated by slimy politicians to an ignorant public.
The ways that criminals get guns are to (1) steal them, or (2) have girlfriends with clean records buy them for them, or (3) have others with clean records buy them in exchange for cash.
I believe there is court precedent that criminals do not have to register guns under the 5th amendment.
Let the dhimtard fall in the traps!
They are in complete megalomaniac hubris
Sounds the same here.
I say she starts by registering gangsta guns first.
I can think of and imagine a far simpler solution.
I stand corrected. I am one of those ignorant public because I have never been to a gun show...I purchase mine from the stores.
Is this true? I thought that the ban applied to sales after the ban, not confiscating weapons owned before the ban.
Ah, the Gun Show Loophole!
In some states (but definitely not all) a private sale from one person to another is not regulated nor are records kept. So if someone wants to sell a shotgun that person may simply hand you the gun and collect your cash. The venue is not important, but it is sometimes convenient to do it at a gun show where a buyer is easy to find. This is the Gun Show Loophole, private sales between individuals without the assistance of government.
Some states regulate such private sales, with some sort of ID and information transfer, and some don’t, so check where you are before you buy a gun from a private individual, especially at a gun show.
You used to be able to find guns for sale in the big classified ad book here, but they voluntarily dropped it years ago. I don’t know what rules Craigslist has, but you can’t advertise firearms on Ebay.
That’s the left for you - always give the benefit of the doubt and the law to the criminal.
not with a private sale ... hint, hint
Oldest trick in the book. To use a shooting analogy, they've acquired the target (confiscation), and registration is cocking the hammer.
We have 45 months of this to contend with - more if this person with a questionable birthright proceeds toward the same goals as Hugo Chavez - so we really must get creative with our methods of concealment, especially given the status of modern metal detection technology.
Even if this doesn't get through, there'll be another run at it sooner or later, more like sooner. The Speaker and her fellow Bolsheviks can't wait to try this communism thing again.
I am a believer in “firm gun control”, always use both hands.
Exactly.
Closing the mythical “loophole” won’t cut down on unregistered guns, it will create a greater demand for the black market of unregistered guns.
This is all about whittling away at the Second Amendment, putting up the appearance of so much bureaucratic red tape (there’s already enough) that people just assume it’s too much of a hassle.
Thanks! If you buy a gun at a gun store then is there information taken from the new owner identity, etc.? Would this be basically a registration of the gun that was sold?
State/local rules apply at gun shows. (Despite the so-called scary "Gun Show Loophole".)
Here in Indiana - you still have to fill out your 4473 and have a NICS check if you buy from a dealer...even at a gun show.
If you buy from a private individual (be it at a gun show or in your garage) you do not have to fill out paperwork or have a NICS check.
If guns aren’t already registered, what is all that paperwork I’m always working on when I buy guns?
A concise and hard hitting article.
well done, Washington Times.
Here in CA we have registration of handguns and certain AW’s (their definition).
Of course you do.-the brady bill
Private sale only. If you buy from/through an FFL, i.e. a licensed dealer, you will be required to fill out a "yellow sheet". Supposedly these go for NIC checks only and the information is thereafter retained in the FFL's files only; but as a practical matter ATF has been illegally capturing this data for years and building an illegal registry, something expressly forbidden by Congress.
That's why the 'Rats keep ranting about "the gun-show loophole". They mean the private sales, often made at gun shows, that don't require a "yellow sheet" form to be filed.
Do it soon and, as they say, "B.L.O.A.T." -- "buy lots of ammo today."
You might give some thought to calibers that are easier to get because less popular. One I saw recommended recently in a gun magazine is the Czech CZ-series in 7.62mm (.30 cal.) Tokarev, a very competent caliber and gun, for which ammo is both abundantly available and affordable.
From what I've read, owners were required to turn them in. Perhaps a CA FReeper can confirm.
They went after the ATF forms 4473, which is the record of sale.
As required to be kept by the dealer, they are a de-facto registration.
And, if the dealer goes out of business, the ATF gets their hands on them permanantly.
The same rule apply at gun shows as apply at the local gun dealer's. The only folks that do not have to wait on a background check are those that have either a concealed carry permit(prior check) or have a background check done prior to the show in anticipation of making a purchase.
You can believe that all of the shows are being monitored closely so smile every time you look up!
just joined the NRA , thanks
these radicals are going to go after so many things which is in violation of this constitution.
from homo marriage to guns, etc, we need to speak out more as the media are helping these left wing wing loons and blacking out news coverage to the public.
For any gun owners to have voted for these buffoons is complete ignorance and no wonder the white house says it is not a bow as many in this country will believe anything they say.
Nor would I. And if anyone tries to enter my dwelling to verify, they'll wind up getting a hot lead injection.
You can't even buy them on ebang anymore :( but they will tell you where you can. http://www.ebang.com/
correct one only has to look at how the gaystapo got hold of the signed petitioners who were against them and then they made the names public, then people started getting calls, and visits from them
http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/contracosta/FaxAlerts/sksalert.shtml
You are welcome, and thank you for joining.
correct
they do not want illegals to show ID or put restrictions on them so they cannot vote but they want the names of those gun owners
screw that, everyone here has a gun or just about everyone where I live in st Augustine
Pelosi has always demonstrated that dangerous combination of being power-hungry while not being very bright.
Your telling me she isn’t bight. Three or four week ago I saw her on television, twice, saying that 500 million people lose their jobs every month in the US. At that rate in 11 months nobody on earth would have a job. We would all be on welfare.
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