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The gun lobby's flawed logic is riddled with bullet holes
New York Daily ^ | Monday, April 13th 2009, | Stanley Crouch

Posted on 04/13/2009 10:12:45 AM PDT by presidio9

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To: presidio9
IMHO, Scientologist might not meet the mental health requirements for gun ownership.
81 posted on 04/13/2009 1:09:49 PM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, rest)
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To: ctdonath2

John Travolta I doubt is a Republican and you can buy a fighter jet. Armed? Probably not but I doubt the Framers envisioned fighter jets.

The Second Amendment means what it says Lib Dems so deal with it. The Dems are in overreach mode again.


82 posted on 04/13/2009 1:10:33 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: presidio9
The trouble is that any change is interpreted with the logic of a survivalist.

"A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state..." Sounds rather "survivalistic" to me.

We, the militia, intend to keep our Arms (and every other terrible instrument of a free man) to preserve, protect and defend the Republic against Socialists, Communists and other Traitors.

83 posted on 04/13/2009 1:10:50 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: presidio9

Flawed logic? Where to begin...

Owning a Fighter Plane is Not Protected by the 2’nd Amendmant to the Constitution.The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is.What DOPES.


84 posted on 04/13/2009 1:12:50 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: Frantzie
you can buy a fighter jet. Armed? Probably not

Only a matter of supply, not legality.

I doubt the Framers envisioned fighter jets.

They USED heavily-armed battleships, and wrote the Constitution presuming some were privately owned. They understood the principles if not the technology.

85 posted on 04/13/2009 1:22:35 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: puppypusher

The right to vehicular transport was so blatantly obvious the Founding Fathers never considered they might have to add it to the Bill Of Rights (which, BTW, is a great example of their argument for not having one: those rights which are not enumerated could be construed as not existing).


86 posted on 04/13/2009 1:24:35 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: puppypusher

Why wouldn’t owning a fighter plane be protected?


87 posted on 04/13/2009 1:41:08 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: John.Galt2012
That's a bogus George Washington quote. I wish people would quit using it.

The modern language alone (99 and 99/100 percent (the Ivory soap commercial), reference to "pilgrims" (predating the 19th c. commemoration of Plymouth Rock) and "prairie wagon" (predating the western settlements - it was "Conestoga wagons" that crossed into the Shenandoah and Pennsylvania) should give you a clue.

The sentiments are admirable, though. There are very good authentic quotes from Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Richard Henry Lee, George Mason, et al.

88 posted on 04/13/2009 1:56:29 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Malsua
Glad you picked up on that, too.

The anachronisms in that quote ought to LEAP out at everyone.

89 posted on 04/13/2009 2:02:39 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: ctdonath2
as usual I appreciate your take on the commie disease...

I simply can no longer wrap my mind around the kind of ostrich intelligence of the lib media...my guts tell me they know what the game is, and they simply wish to be eaten last...

they were arrived at through great suffering and cost spanning generations or longer.

I no longer accept the premise that we should spend our Constitutional treasure re-taking the same ground...we have retreated far enough...

90 posted on 04/13/2009 2:40:45 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Malsua; Joe Brower

I recently did a bit of research, and now I am “99 and 99/100th sure” that the Cicero treason quote I’ve been posting is bogus. Sounded great, but he never said it.


91 posted on 04/13/2009 3:13:25 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" has gone to the printer.)
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To: presidio9
...the legions in law enforcement who oppose the sale of assault weapons to the citizenry.

Legions?

These "legions" represent the political, and minor sub-class within law enforcement; and, Crouch knows it.

Talk to ordinary "cops" Mr. Crouch.

They will tell you that the dangers they face are due to Democrat law makers who favor law breakers over enforcement, putting bad guys back on the street.

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Oh, and equating law abiding gun owners with fringe survivalists is an unacceptable premise that we will be seeing much more of, I'm afraid.

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92 posted on 04/13/2009 3:14:46 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Travis McGee
that the Cicero treason quote I’ve been posting is bogus.

That's the problem with these quotes. Someone sees it, googles it, finds it on liberty-tree.ca and that's good enough for them. That site however does no fact checking. They hear it, post it and are done with it.

The Jefferson one about inflation/deflation really aggravates me. It's not true and it's full of anachronisms. One merely has to check Monticello.org to see the repository of all things Jefferson debunk it...but it's plastered across "right wing" sites as truth. I appreciate the sentiment in the quotes, but nothing makes us all look more foolish than to put stock into a falsehood.

93 posted on 04/13/2009 3:49:35 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: presidio9

Where’s the barf alert?


94 posted on 04/13/2009 4:02:53 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("Let 'em learn the hard way, 'cause teaching them is more trouble than they're worth,")
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To: buccaneer81
buccaneer81 said: "That won't fly. "

I'll tell you what "won't fly". It's the idea that our Founders were attempting enumerate our rights by insisting on a Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is simply a way of clarifying that no part of the Constitution permits the federal government to infringe the right to keep and bear arms.

Our Founders would be completely baffled by your "delivery system" nonsense, because the phrase "delivery system" appears nowhere in the document.

Only communist governments treat their citizens in this fashion; that everything permitted is required and that everything not permitted is prohibited.

If we amended the Constitution to permit "delivery systems" would we then need an additional amendment for "delivery system fuel"? How about hangars to protect "delivery systems" when they are not in use? Would that require an additional amendment?

Our Founders never envisioned the use of computers to design "delivery systems". I suppose we would need another amendment to protect militia use of computers?

95 posted on 04/13/2009 4:08:11 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: presidio9

Add the fact that purported supporters of law and order manage to ignore the legions in law enforcement who oppose the sale of assault weapons to the citizenry. Why would they not? They know all of the details about the urban terrorism of street gangs and the tragedies unleashed by armed loons. We can add in the documented fact that weapons bought at unmonitored gun fairs are arming Mexican drug dealers who will end up fighting American troops very soon. Makes no difference. There is always a cost to following the Constitution. Enough said.


I’ll begin and possibly end here...

Absolute frappin’ bullsh!t!!!


96 posted on 04/13/2009 4:39:20 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: presidio9
You might enjoy this related vanity: The Militia Clause, or, H.L. Mencken was Right.

Cheers!

97 posted on 04/13/2009 4:50:21 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: 12Gauge687
Here Ya Go ....

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It was also called the "Super Tweety"

98 posted on 04/13/2009 5:00:18 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: y6162
Urban street gangs, like Somali pirates, have a successful business model.

I can only concluded that since most of these gangs have bases in cities(at least primarily) run by statist liberals(vast majority being Democrats), that the elites, sorry I mean our fearless leaders, may also be partaking in having them around as a successful business model for themselves. Meaning that all the killing, raping, terror inflicted upon the community maybe actually what they want and need in order to keep power and at least rape everyone financially. If things continue to deteriorate we may find out that they are willing to take it a step further or beyond as they will be emboldened to grab even more power(such is human nature).
99 posted on 04/13/2009 5:43:33 PM PDT by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: presidio9

Once again the logic of the anti-gun crowd starts with the premise that the Constitution grants the people rights instead of the other way ‘round.

Article 1, Section 1 “All legislative powers herin granted....”.

THAT is why every American should be FUMING over this kind of crap!


100 posted on 04/13/2009 6:16:46 PM PDT by Tucsonican
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