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To: GourmetDan
Science, like religion, is absolutely dogmatic. Facts may change and theories may change but philosophical naturalism is always assumed 'a priori'.

Not assumed - proven.

That's correct. The basic premise of evolution is philosophical naturalism. Since that is assumed 'a priori', nothing can ever undermine that assumption.

Exactly. The fact that things are rational, predictable and provable is assumed much like the sum of 2+2 is "assumed."

That's a far cry from attributing that which we don't (or, in some cases, can't) understand to the great ugga bugga in the sky.

Uh oh. You used the 'ilk' word. That automatically makes you 'the winner'. No evolutionist has ever been desperate or irrational enough to fake evidence.

The difference is that if they do they are eventually found out and the results corrected as happened with the Piltdown man hoax.

The biblical hoax hasn't been fixed yet. . .
42 posted on 04/15/2009 1:38:54 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo
"Not assumed - proven."

Dude, philosophical naturalism hasn't been proven. It's based on a logical fallacy, which you commit next.

"Exactly. The fact that things are rational, predictable and provable is assumed much like the sum of 2+2 is "assumed.""

Nope. That's you committing the fallacy of equivocation for equating the existence of natural physical laws with philosophical naturalism.

"That's a far cry from attributing that which we don't (or, in some cases, can't) understand to the great ugga bugga in the sky."

As opposed to attributing that we don't (or, in some cases, can't) understand to nothing that is nowhere. You actually think that's an empirical position or are you back to your logical fallacy?

"The difference is that if they do they are eventually found out and the results corrected as happened with the Piltdown man hoax."

'Eventually' being the operative term that permits the fallacy of argument from ignorance to persist. How long will you wait until they 'eventually' figure out that macroevolution won't and can't ever work? Be kinda tough when that happens after you're dead and it's too late to change your mind. I'm sure 'science' will be sorry to have misled you though.

"The biblical hoax hasn't been fixed yet. . ."

The hoax of philosophical naturalism obviously hasn't been fixed yet either. I guess you aren't able to understand that.

Biblical creation is equivalent to philosophical naturalism. Both are philosophical positions that are not empirically provable.

In effect, what you believe is no more empirical than what I believe. The only difference is that I understand that and you don't.

53 posted on 04/15/2009 2:08:29 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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