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To: fr_freak

“You act as if the Pope himself condoned sweeping these crimes under the rug, when it was actually the failure of the local diocese.”

Actually,the files on the problem priests went at least as high as the arch bishops. That came from a friend who has access to the Vatican archives, where he does his theological research.

Count on the problem being known at “the highest level” of the Church. The previous sentence contains valid data, bank on it.

“homosexuals are not just regular folks who like members of the same sex. They are, by definition, mentally disordered.”

By decision of the American Psychology/Psychiatry community, “queers” are now normal. And their ranks of rank lawyers are ready, willing, and eager to sue you if you disagree. Under Obamunism, even discussions such as this one will be illegal.

“So, it is not as if the Church was somehow duped into allowing homosexuals to become priests and only discovered it once the molestations started.”

Your lines, not mine. They contain the admission that the Church knew about the homosexuals, accepted them, and covered up for them.

I wondered if it was just a case of the “Queer Qrowd” gravitating towards an accepting social refuge, or whether the Church had been so infiltrated by Gramscian style commies that the damage had been deliberate.


88 posted on 04/17/2009 5:36:41 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru
By decision of the American Psychology/Psychiatry community, “queers” are now normal. And their ranks of rank lawyers are ready, willing, and eager to sue you if you disagree. Under Obamunism, even discussions such as this one will be illegal.

The American Psychiatrics changed their definition of homosexuality for purely political reason, with zero scientific basis for redefining homosexuality as normal. I don't give damn what those leftists say, and neither does the Church. The Church also doesn't give a damn what the US government says. The Church is based in Rome, and parishes all over the world, and duty only to God. The Pope will do what the Pope will do, and Obama can pound sand.

Your lines, not mine. They contain the admission that the Church knew about the homosexuals, accepted them, and covered up for them.

My lines contained absolutely no such admission. I said that the Church made the decision to allow homosexuals to be priests as long as they were celibate. I never said the Church accepted the behavior, or covered up for a thing (as a whole). Homosexual behavior is still considered sinful by the Church, always has been. The Church took the view that, though one might have the urge, if he suppressed it, he was OK.

Also, it is absolutely expected that your mysterious friend would find records of the priest scandals in the Vatican. Only a blind, deaf and dumb illiterate would not know about them once they started. I guarantee the Church started looking into the problem as soon as they found out, and kept records on the subject. Stop looking for sinister conspiracies where obvious motives are apparent.
93 posted on 04/17/2009 3:32:21 PM PDT by fr_freak
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