Posted on 04/18/2009 6:37:49 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
What you say is true, but when some companies hire illegals - then they are not “playing on a level field” compared to the other companies that do not have such hiring practices.
Yes, government regulations and some union demands DO force some companies out of business. This isn’t right either.
I have a great problem with our society right now. Out of one side of our mouth we bleat about “human rights” and “equality”, and out of the other side of our mouth we argue that in order for companies to compete, they have to use cheap third world labor. I think right now we are manipulating to keep these countries down so as to provide us with dirt cheap labor. This might be good for short-term profits, but I don’t see it succeeding in the long-run. As countries progress, their people won’t settle for being the world’s serfs.
What do we have to do to keep certain nations at a third world level so that we can profit from them? That disturbs me.
Gee, what could be wrong with that?
WANTED: Full-time position available for finance professionalWhat you say? $19,000 isn't enough? The salary isn't competitive?
to perform accounting duties. May require long hours. Bachelor's degree req'd. CPA not required.
Some experience preferred.
Salary: $19,000 per year.
Well, it's more than enough for someone from India. "Guest worker" is a sham.
The dweeb who posts about 40 anti-anyone with the last name-McCain thread per day used a dishonest, misleading title for this thread ...
Namecalling and not pinging the person you are speaking of violates FR TOS and common courtesy. But mostly, it highlights who the "dweebs" really are.
Just another reason to tell this lying RINO to KMA.
Since rabscuttle192.5 cannot be potty trained to stop pinging, literally, dozens of people (without my permission) when engaged in FR exchanges with me, (a manifest discourtesy born of his weakness and insecurity) I, hereby, grant myself authority to exempt any of my comments to you from the customary labeling etiquette, relative to rabscuttle96.25.
No fool like an old fool. McCain’s state needs to put him out.
Why not mention the content of my post addressing your question as to “what is wrong” with a guest worker program?
I never pinged you on this thread.
You, however, badmouthed me at posts 15 and 24.
Neither personal attacks, especially groundless ones, nor failure to ping people when you specifically talk about them are proper Freeper etiquette.
The kind who calls everyone else RINOs, while espousing socialism, relative to interfering with the free market value of labor.
Tell me, why should an employer pay one cent more to get a job done than that job is worth?
I know, so you can make more than your worth.
Sorry, that's not a conservative principle.
And shame on you for advocating it.
You didn’t answer the post, Cedric. Just more baseless namecalling and labeling.
You will NEVER get a straight answer out of Cedric. He/she/it’s just a bad character all around. Badmouthing decent folks like you and rabs and never, EVER answering a direct question except with either inanities or insults.
Since when is insisting that companies and individuals comply with "the rules of the game" while conducting business in the United States considered "socialism"?
Any business that is hiring illegal aliens or other foreign nationals not legally permitted to work in the United States is not following the rules. What those businesses are doing is socializing the costs of hiring illegal labor while privatizing the profits.
Furthermore, businesses that are hiring "guest workers" are generally businesses that don't want to pay the market wages for lawful American labor, whether that be a U.S. citizen or permanent resident, and don't want the responsibility of complying with applicable U.S. labor law...while simultaneously benefiting from the protections of U.S. law that serve their own ends.
Of course, you're a McCain apologist and RINO brownshirt, so your strawman defense of quasi-Socialism is not at all unexpected.
I'd call it "slavery," or quasi-slavery, something Cedric seems to advocate.
I'm beginning to realize that.
Sorry took so long to reply, as I work on weekends.
However, if in fact the ad above that you posted is a help wanted ad, and someone applies for it, who is here legally, from (pick any third world rat hole), and gets the job done, to the owner's satisfaction, then THAT IS in fact what the job is worth. Anything more is at the whim of the employer, as an arrangement with the employee.
I do concur that there are many employers who hire illegals, and my POV is they should have their business closed, have assets confiscated and sold at auction, and paid heavy fines.
That will get the attention of those who wish to play the game.
That, however, must be separated from what an employer is willing to pay, and what an employee is willing to give up their minutes on this planet per minute breathing for someone else's business. That is what a job is worth, no more, no less.
John McCain... ALWAYS there with the WRONG solution at the WRONG time.
Oh, I totally agree. But that wasn't my point. I think you would find that no one with the stated qualifications would accept such a job as the going rate for said qualifications is double to triple that amount. But this is what some companies will do to prove that there are "no Americans who will do the job," thereby justifying their use of guest-worker visas to solicit labor from India, or elsewhere. That's why the whole thing is a sham, IMO.
We? I do not argue that we must use cheap third world labor to compete.
I would instead argue that we must provide the best service and best product to compete.
I think right now we are manipulating to keep these countries down so as to provide us with dirt cheap labor.
Do you really think that or was that sarcasm?
This might be good for short-term profits, but I don’t see it succeeding in the long-run.
If it were so, it would. I think that is what some call a straw man??
As countries progress, their people won’t settle for being the world’s serfs.
As well they should not. They, each and every one of "THEM" sets the value for each minute they are on this planet breathing air, and what they are willing to use that minute for, and at what price if that minute is for hire.
That is capitalism, It is not forced labor, and not forced wages.
I compete in a crowded field, a glut of competitors. Yet I have well paid employees, (because they are worth more than starting pay, they make me a profit via their labor)and I live comfortable. If I find better employees, either due to more productivity with same pay, or same productivity with less pay, why should I not hire them??
If my clients find equal service for less, why should they not fire me?, ie, go somewhere else??
I command the price I charge, and get paid it, because I deliver more. If an employee delivers more, than they will get paid more, or move on to where they are in fact appreciated more. But the client will simply not pay more if the service is average, nor should n employer pay more just because the employee wants it.
The real question is how many of those people does the employer need to hire to have the same amount of competent work done that a specialist would do?
.See, the employer's main drive is profit. if he can do so by paying less, then that is what the job is worth. If the employee is a fraud, or unqualified, the employer eats it, and needs to hire someone better. To attract someone more qualified, he has to lay more bucks on the table.
Too bad there weren't very many ppl on FR saying that last November, other than yours truly & a mere handful of others.
So, you support a huge new guest worker program (since it will improve profits)
even when 10% of able bodied United States citizens are jobless?
And if that rate goes to 20%, would you still support it? How about 50%?
Why not 100% — let’s just turn the country over to the Chinese. /s
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