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To: Toki
There is some one’s that argue against Iraq war that are amazingly made (not that I agree with the message).

Confusing the crafting of the message with the quality of the underlying ideas of the message itself is an old folly. The later Roman Republic had any number of good orators in different styles -- the great orator Marcus Cicero rated Julius Caesar and, ironically, Marcus Brutus (who eventually assassinated Caesar) as two of the best, and they both used the same style, called the Attic (Athenian) style, to great effect, notwithstanding that it was a very plain and unadorned style unlike Cicero's own very eruditely structured and artful style.

Later, after the Republic had been overreached and turned into an Empire (very much like what Obama wants to do now), oratory became just another entertainment, content-free (certainly no political content was allowed) and about as consequential as a debate over poultry-farm versus free-range chicken.

Young orators competed on style alone, because that was all that was left of oratory, and odd styles arose freely because there was no longer a message too important to be imperiled by stylistic quirkiness and experimentation.

Eventually the only work left for orators was in the imperial law-courts, where their services as propagandists and pleaders were needed in proceedings aimed at expropriating the estates of men condemned and murdered by the State.

I love comics, especially cause I can’t listen to things for long either.

I'm not sure what you mean by that -- if you mean you dislike communication through the spoken word (which would presumably include reading), I'm not sure what can be done about imparting necessary knowledge and thought skills without it.

Whether it is incumbent on people to have the skills to adapt to other communication skills to come to you for the purpose of imparting knowledge and wisdom through other, visual media, or whether it is incumbent on you to learn to overcome your disinclination to read and hear, it will be crippling to civilization if large numbers of people mature without the reading and listening skills which have always been the foundation of critical thought.

However you acquire it, you must, if you are to remain free and not fall under the thumb of political conspirators, somehow acquire the power of discernment that is related to verbal thought, speech, and reading. You somehow have to be able to grep and grok thoughts that are verbally structured, in order to assess them for truth content. Otherwise people who know how to lie well will pwn you.

An ancient Greek once described the difference between trained Greek boxers who knew what they were doing in the ring, and barbarian (non-Greek) palookas who couldn't defend themselves. "You strike him here, his hands fly here. You strike him there, his hands fly there. Never does he know how to defend himself." Thus the Greek persuaded himself that foreigners were incapable of boxing, because they didn't know how to handle themselves in the ring.

People who don't know how to think, how to argue, and how to operate their God-given bullshit detectors, are in the same position as that barbarian stiff in the ring when they are tried on by an apparatchik skilled in the black arts of propaganda, agitation, and crowd control. It's like the Children's Crusade -- ugly outcome guaranteed.

You want to reach new generations, Video is it. And not bad video, something that will go viral .... Getting by the media filters, this is what this takes....

I understand the need to compete, and presumably, people who know how will step up, even if only out of a sense of self-preservation, to compete with the mind-darkening message of the drone armies of the Left.

Many of us who are older don't have those skills, having been educated and having worked all our lives with verbal and rational skills, rather than graphically-representational skills. I've done both as an earth scientist, but representation to me has always been about imaging what is objectively real and provable by investigation -- what is there in nature, in other words, rather than what is politically "real".

So I don't know how one would represent visually political thoughts like the Ninth Amendment, which sets the default human state at liberty and no permissions needed for self-directed action.

34 posted on 04/20/2009 4:42:47 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

I will be back later, (I really have to finish this paper) but suffice to say, I love reading (I’ve blown out my eyesight due to it, why the issues with small font and sitting on glasses to much) I have laterality issues that effect my hearing (and a full blown case of ADHD), making even Glenn Beck something I can only listen to for thirty minutes at most. The only place I do better is Church, and sometimes class. The other I would like to comment on too, but I don’t have time right now.


36 posted on 04/20/2009 4:59:36 AM PDT by Toki
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To: lentulusgracchus

(and Glenn beck’s the most interesting, He’s as ADD as me)


37 posted on 04/20/2009 5:03:06 AM PDT by Toki
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