“Some Think Secession Is Un-American”
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Well..., it’s just that Abraham Lincoln settled that issue for all the states. And the states that did secede, originally, in order to come back into the Union again, they ended up giving up that right, which may have been there originally — but is not no longer there (since Lincoln “decided” the issue by a bloody war we had...).
screw Lincoln
If a “right” is G*d given, rather than given to us by some goober in a gooberment agency, then that right is always ours.
I believe I am correct when I say that Lincoln won a war but could not remove the rights which the Declaration of Independence refers to.
Since the Declaration of Independence has not been changed, Man (note I didn’t restrict the discussion to Americans) can still claim the rights mentioned therein.
Whether we decide to act on that right is our choice.
Obama, being a Chicago, minority activist who accepted the communism of Alinsky and Davis, will have a hard time understanding what the Founding Documents actually say.
That Obama and his ilk, misunderstand the TEA Party movement is almost a given.
Congress had better wake up and smell the outrage,lest the rage increase. When he tells the world America is not a Christian nation, he angered many. His whimpy, Muslim-centric attitude caused him to prolong the pirate standoff, and his communism is also angering many.
Time to prepare for the worst, and, just as important, call your Congress Critters regularly.
The “issue” of secession cannot be settled.
There does not need to be any legal framework for it or laws and policies allowing it. It is something free people do when they no longer wish to be associated with another person, people, group, government, etc...
Only those who have accepted their bondage see secession as illegitimate.
LOL! Great post.
Despite the notion the War decided the issue of secession, the Constitution was never altered to reflect it. There are other clauses to restrict the beast.
Thus, the original intent of the voluntary compact remains intact.
I just read the entire Constitution again (for real), and I don't find any post-war amendments that say the states cannot secede. I also don't find any pre-war amendments or original text on that topic. In the absence of other text, the Tenth Amendment rules, and the states can still secede constitutionally. The federal government can in theory invade and conquer states that have seceded, and it could force them to submit to rule by the federal government against the will of their people, just as the federal government could in theory invade and conquer Mexico or Canada and force them to submit. That's not how the United States is supposed to operate, but the right to secede could only be overridden by military conquest.
I hope that a realistic discussion of secession will convince the neosocialists in power to scale back their destruction of the free market, their infringements on our rights, and their irresponsible spending. I hope that voluntary secession by one or more states, if continued federal abuses led to such a step, would be permitted without the federal government initiating violence against its neighbors. I hope that actual secession would lead to a federal return to constitutional government and the subsequent reunification of these United States. Those are all just hopes; the actual decisions are legally in the hands of the people and the leaders of the 50 (57?) individual states, unless Obama decides to use the United States Army to override the will of the people in one or more states.
TWBTS no more settled the NATURAL RIGHT of secession than the blitzkrieg of Poland settled, for all time, FREEDOM for Poland.
free dixie,sw
The right of people to choose their own gov't is always there. Gov'ts might violate that right, but the right exists, as rights come from God, not the Gov't.
Who the hell cares. We’ll do it anyway.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Yeah, but a little over eighty years earlier, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington found that secession was a workable solution. Nothing works until it works. I know it's a little hard for all of us to get our brains around, and I'm not being sarcastic, but I know that several online polls have been put up in Texas, and they're usually hitting about 65% in favor of seceding.
Secession from the US, though, would definitely be Un-American. It would be pro-Texan.
Nope. Rights are "unalienable" - the Founders said so themselves. That means they can't be "given up."
NOPE, and I dare anyone to try to force a state that actually dips it’s toes into the water and “Seceedes”, if that state doesn’t send an army against it’s neighbors or agressively goes after the feds to FORCE their fellow “Americans” to join back into Union..I dare them.