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Schmidt, Plouffe: McCain was a long shot
Politico ^ | 04/2309 | Ben Smith

Posted on 04/23/2009 8:14:26 PM PDT by Big_Monkey

NEWARK, Del. – The men who ran the presidential campaigns of Barack Obama and John McCain appeared together on stage for the first time Thursday at the University of Delaware to complete a pair of tasks: To articulate their (remarkably similar) views of the election, and to hash out the details of continuing coursework so that they can, at last, graduate.

McCain chief strategist Steve Schmidt and Obama campaign manager David Plouffe seemed to agree on a central point: McCain was always the longest of long-shot candidates. (You would not have known this from hearing either of them talk during the campaign.)

Schmidt, the father of hundreds of attacks on Obama, spoke of the president’s political skills with unabashed admiration.

“This was, in my view, the unfinished Bobby Kennedy campaign – the idealism, the passion, the inspiration he gave to people, it was organic and it was real and it wasn’t manufactured at a tactical level in the campaign.”

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; americagotpnked; election; howtostealanelection; mccain; mccain2008; obama; plouffe; rino; schmidt
Schmidt admits that McCain's first choice for VP was Lieberman. How McCain could be in politics for almost 30 years think that the Republicans would allow a very liberal Democrat on the ticket as VP, is really dumbfounding.
1 posted on 04/23/2009 8:14:26 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey

I truly believe that McLame was the result of a reverse operation chaos.

CLOSE THE DAMN PRIMARIES!


2 posted on 04/23/2009 8:15:53 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (Thank you Mr. Robinson from Ft. Lauderdale (toodamtall1@yahoo.com))
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To: bicyclerepair

MSM got just the GOP candidate they wanted.


3 posted on 04/23/2009 8:18:15 PM PDT by MarkeyD (OBAMA. Chains we can believe in!)
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To: Big_Monkey

Howard Dean staffers from his website were among the first to hop onboard the McCain campaign back in 2006 (google Democrats for McCain 2006).

He had other Democrats on his campaign staff in 2007. When he’d secured the GOP nomination in 2008, they bailed and went over to the Obama campaign. I wonder if they posed for a “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” photo.


4 posted on 04/23/2009 8:20:04 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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I hate to say this, but McCain is a loser. There was no fight in him at all. He reeked of pacifity. If not for Palin he would have lost by twenty points. And I never liked the way he sucked up to the murderer Ted Kennedy.


5 posted on 04/23/2009 8:20:07 PM PDT by donaldo
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To: Big_Monkey

Steve Schmidt, the phallic symbol for American politics


6 posted on 04/23/2009 8:20:53 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: donaldo

No kidding. I held my nose as did many others I know.


7 posted on 04/23/2009 8:21:15 PM PDT by Shyla
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To: Big_Monkey
Schmidt, Plouffe: McCain was a long shot

Gee, ya think?!?

8 posted on 04/23/2009 8:21:32 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: Big_Monkey

“This was, in my view, the unfinished Bobby Kennedy campaign – the idealism, the passion, the inspiration he gave to people, it was organic and it was real and it wasn’t manufactured at a tactical level in the campaign.”

If he truly believes that OBAMA(TM) wasn’t manufactured, then he must be on some good dope. It was PURELY a Warholian strategy of 15 minutes of fame, complete with a pop-art poster by a famous youth commie oriented pop-art artist. Songs. Celebrity. MTV. Rolling Stoned. Messiah imagery.

Not manufactured. What a fool.


9 posted on 04/23/2009 8:22:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: MarkeyD

Their “Excuse” is this wasn’t the McCain of 2000.


10 posted on 04/23/2009 8:23:46 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: a fool in paradise
"Not manufactured. What a fool.

There's a lot of that going on. I'm listening to David Brooks on the Charlie Rose show just having an orgasm, falling all over himself lavishing praise on Barry and his first 100 days. And, Brooks is the conservative at the NYTs.

11 posted on 04/23/2009 8:26:31 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey

McCain holds the Senate seat of the late Barry Goldwater. If Liberman did end up as Veep, McCain would have ended with a Goldwater style loss.


12 posted on 04/23/2009 8:27:46 PM PDT by yongin
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To: Big_Monkey
The comments attributed to these two morons, and the campaign/election they helped to simulate, do not deserve comment.

They certainly do not deserve repetition.

13 posted on 04/23/2009 8:27:46 PM PDT by norton
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To: a fool in paradise

Laughter can break a sad man’s heart.


14 posted on 04/23/2009 8:28:53 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Big_Monkey
Call me a moron. I thought McCain had a shot. Not because he was a great politician, his acceptance speech at the GOP convention was dreadful and let out the air of Sarah Palin's rousing speech the night before. But because he had a history of at least liking his country a little bit, rotting in an NVA prison for 5 years, suffering damages to his body that cripple him to this day.

Meanwhile, on the other side his opponent was an unaccomplished punk, 8 years a back-bencher in the Illinois State Senate, 4 years a back-bencher in the biggest collection of losers known to mankind, the U.S. Senate, and all we knew about him was that he certainly talked a good game, but he faithfully attended church for 20 long years run by a whitey-hating pastor. That and one of his early backers was an unrepentant domestic terrorist.

Alas, I was, as George H.W. Bush would put it "Dead Wrong", and legions of my fellow suburbanites fell in line along with armies of other politically brain-dead idiots who voted for this knucklehead, and here we are, Germany or Russia, take your pick, 75-90 years ago.

15 posted on 04/23/2009 8:33:15 PM PDT by JacksonCalhoun
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To: Big_Monkey

We not only had the Manchurian candidate in McCain, we had the Manchurian campaign manager in Schmidt.

Schmidt has “come out” recently.

It is now obvious that this was all a joke on us.

The only real person in the Presidential campaign was Sarah Palin.


16 posted on 04/23/2009 8:33:24 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: Big_Monkey

In other words, “Please hire me again.”


17 posted on 04/23/2009 8:34:22 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: donaldo

You hate to say it? Why? I hope I get the change to say it after the Arizona GOP’s primary.


18 posted on 04/23/2009 8:35:24 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (When Republicans don't vote conservative, conservatives don't vote Republican.)
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To: donaldo

TWENTY POINTS!!!??? How about FORTY POINTS!!!
McLAME was sponsored by none other than George Soros and HE knew who was going to win unless there was a big flub:-(
PATHETIC!


19 posted on 04/23/2009 8:36:51 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Last Great President George W. Bush)
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To: Big_Monkey
Schmidt, the father of hundreds of attacks on Obama, spoke of the president’s political skills with unabashed admiration.

Hundreds of attacks? H*ll, McCain's people spent more time attacking Sarah Palin than attacking Obama.

20 posted on 04/23/2009 8:40:45 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: exit82; a fool in paradise
"Schmidt has “come out” recently. It is now obvious that this was all a joke on us.

I'm getting the feeling that a lot of these hired-gun, campaign managers aren't true-believers in either ideology, with perhaps the exceptions of Rove and Carville.

I don't know exactly how much Schmidt made, but it had to be north of $4 million. When Hilary fired Mark Penn in the middle of her primary run, she already owed him $8 million.

Schmidt in this interview all but says that Obama is dreamy. And as someone pointed "a fool in paradise" pointed out, Obama was anything but an organic, grass roots candidate. He was incredibly well funded, well scripted and had overt and covert peripheral support from sources both foreign and domestic. Schmidt is either too stupid to understand this, or too in love to care.

21 posted on 04/23/2009 8:42:59 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey

Nevertheless, he almost pulled it off.

If it weren’t for the escalating economic crisis (the timing of which I find highly suspicious) he would have made it.


22 posted on 04/23/2009 8:43:08 PM PDT by LouD
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To: Big_Monkey

Nice to know that McCain was going to pick a Guaranteed Loser for the Number 2 Spot and had picked this LOOSER to run his campaign! May GOD HELP US!


23 posted on 04/23/2009 8:45:09 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Last Great President George W. Bush)
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To: Big_Monkey
McCain was always the longest of long-shot candidates.

Ho hum. Were they lying then, or are they lying now?

I don't even care anymore.

24 posted on 04/23/2009 8:47:38 PM PDT by poindexter
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To: Big_Monkey

Agree on all counts.


25 posted on 04/23/2009 8:52:37 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: donaldo

“I hate to say this, but McCain is a loser.....If not for Palin he would have lost by twenty points.”

Don’t hate to say it, it’s the plain truth. And I’ll see your 20 points and raise you five.


26 posted on 04/23/2009 9:04:49 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Mr. Bernanke, have you started working on your book about the second GREATER depression?")
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To: LouD
If it weren’t for the escalating economic crisis (the timing of which I find highly suspicious) he would have made it.

I wonder how much of the "crisis" would've materialized if Juan had chosen a non-threatening, uninspiring running-mate?

27 posted on 04/23/2009 9:14:11 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Big_Monkey
When Hilary fired Mark Penn in the middle of her primary run, she already owed him $8 million.

Apparently a lot of Democrat campaigns allow the campaign managers to take a cut of the total amounts spent on advertising. That was part of the downfall of Howard Dean. I never heard anything about the Obama campaign doing this though.

28 posted on 04/23/2009 9:14:53 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: LouD

I agree: the economic downturn, facilitated by Soros, Buffett, MSM, Hollywood and who knows who else behind the scenes, was the reason for the downslide of McCain. He
made a bad decision by rushing back to DC and putting
his campaign on hold.
But in retrospect, upon seeing how the mindless drones
in our country have hypnotically followed the Socialist One, maybe noone could have beaten him...
One thing is for sure; McCain is a war hero: and deserved to win just for that reason, if nothing else.


29 posted on 04/23/2009 9:26:05 PM PDT by Mountain Mary
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To: Big_Monkey

I voted for Sarah.

...And will again.


30 posted on 04/23/2009 9:53:54 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: JacksonCalhoun

JacksonCalhoun, I must be a moron with you. I did not think the majority of this nation would put the most liberal Senator on record, with his puny experience, in the nation’s highest office. I figured he’d get support, and votes from reactionary backlash type folks, and very liberal folks.

I also thought McCain would be reasonably well trusted, and respected for his extraordinary service.

I guess I thought better of this nation.

I didn’t expect McCain to get fawned all over. But he was so obviously the better choice on every level that I had to believe at the end of the day, he’d win.


31 posted on 04/23/2009 9:55:37 PM PDT by Marie2 (Jesus, take the wheel)
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To: Big_Monkey
How McCain could be in politics for almost 30 years think that the Republicans would allow a very liberal Democrat on the ticket as VP, is really dumbfounding.

You do realize that McCain didn't pick Lieberman, right?

32 posted on 04/23/2009 9:58:16 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: Marie2
I didn’t expect McCain to get fawned all over. But he was so obviously the better choice on every level that I had to believe at the end of the day, he’d win.

Obama appeared -- and has been -- a certifiable catastrophe.

That said, a McCain administration offered a high probability of disaster.

CFR betrayed a willingness to abridge free speech and promote incumbency. McCain-Kennedy betrayed a desire to discount the value of citizenship. McCain-Liebermann betrayed an abject failure to understand a capitalist economy (even after 12 years as the Chairman of the Commerce Committee). Et cetera, et cetera.

Plus, there is this little matter of "presidential temperament". McCain tends to be a vengeful and vindictive man -- not the best temperament for a President.

What we have instead is most certainly worse. But McCain was no day at the beach -- the worst GOP presidential nominee since Tom Dewey.

33 posted on 04/23/2009 10:08:59 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAItNSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: krb
"You do realize that McCain didn't pick Lieberman, right?

Yes. I do recall that. Don't you think it's troubling that McCain didn't just think about Lieberman, but he actively entertained the idea and actually explored the possibility with GOP leadership?

It's not at all dissimilar from asking your wife it would be OK to have an affair. Somethings are just too stupid to be asked - asking if it would be OK to put a Democrat on a GOP ticket is one of those things.

34 posted on 04/23/2009 10:09:04 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: wafflehouse

bookmark


35 posted on 04/23/2009 10:20:10 PM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: Big_Monkey
I just added Steve Schmidt to my list of "Five people I'd like to punch" on FaceBook.

Is it any wonder we lose elections with panty-wearing freaks like this running our campaigns?
36 posted on 04/23/2009 10:23:22 PM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: MarkeyD

actually it was engineered by Ted Kennedy

more amazing and never mentioned except a zillion times by me is the fact the power of Washington and NY money and electeds........not anymore......that power and money is in mafia Chicago


37 posted on 04/23/2009 10:36:25 PM PDT by advertising guy (the University of IKEA , educating our kids for 20 years , majoring in couch and remote)
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To: Big_Monkey

Tell me again why we are even paying attention to S**t and Pouffe?


38 posted on 04/24/2009 12:00:07 AM PDT by Mr Inviso (ACORN=Arrogant Condescending Obama Ruining Nation)
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To: LouD
"almost pulled it off"

Six weeks before the election McCain-Palin were ahead in the polls. One week later they were five points behind and never recovered. What happened? The late September financial crisis, that's what happened. The media blamed the whole crisis on the Republicans and Wall Street, and McCain initially agreed with that assessment. Millions of voters changed their minds and their votes from Republican to Democrat.

The people who say McCain never had a chance are reluctant to explain why he was leading in the polls up to the crisis. That doesn't mean I believe he for sure would have won, but Obama certainly wouldn't have won by seven million votes and might have lost. Three and one half million votes kept the election from a tie. That number represents about one percent of all votes cast. I'd wager that easily more than that number of voters changed their minds against McCain thanks to the late September crisis.

39 posted on 04/24/2009 1:21:28 AM PDT by driftless2 (four)
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To: Big_Monkey

It might’ve won him the election, but at what cost?

And it would’ve exposed the rabid antisemitism in the DNC left wing base. Instead, they managed to avoid charges of sexism in their attacks on Sarah Palin (even when they called her a c*n*).


40 posted on 04/24/2009 7:18:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: Big_Monkey
McCain was always the longest of long-shot candidates.


41 posted on 04/24/2009 7:20:01 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Marie2

I think that some of those who voted for Obama did so on “principle” but didn’t really expect such a novice to win.

They wanted the bragging rights of how “good” they were and how they could rip McCain’s administration to shreds because they wanted “the other guy”.

Except he won. And is doing all of the things his critics predicted.

I had a Democrat confess to me in the wake of 9-11 that she was suddenly SO glad that Gore lost (she didn’t believe he would be able to handle such a situation).

I don’t want an “I told you so” moment. I want our country to be safe. I don’t believe our current President has America’s best interests at heart at home or abroad. He smears the previous administration at every turn (alleging they are criminal, even if they are never prosecuted) and shames America for ever getting involved in foreign affairs. We consume too much. We live too well. But he parties every week in the Big House.


42 posted on 04/24/2009 7:23:14 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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