Posted on 04/26/2009 7:02:08 AM PDT by library user
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VANCOUVER — Within days of Robert Dziekanski's death at Vancouver International Airport, the RCMP knew that key information it had released was wrong, but decided it would not correct the record, one of the Mounties' media officers testified yesterday.
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Plus, there are web sites set up to specifically document taser deaths, but where are the web sites which document waterboarding deaths?
Just thinking out loud here...
Not above repeating myself, so here’s my comments on the subject from another thread.
Torture or not? Let’s compare it to the taser.
The police will tase a person at their discretion, without much oversight, and rarely is their judgment questioned afterward; even more rarely punished. They tase for their convenience, not just for their protection; it’s a lot simpler to tase a person than to defuse the situation with reason or any other rational approach or any use of normal physical force (overpowering the suspect by brute strength).
For the average person, the taser is frightening and unpleasant and degrading. Yet nary a peep against its widespread use, which is defended as harmless and without aftereffects (which isn’t always true, since people have been injured and some have died as a result of being tased).
Who has died from waterboarding? Who’s been injured? Who’s been waterboarded without medical supervision on the spot? Anyone?
What would you rather undergo? (Just asking...unless you’ve had both, and can inform the rest of us?)
Now, the other day I heard a lib telling Hannity that we should not waterboard, even to save lives from terrorists. Yet we let our police use tasers for much less reason: to save themselves a possible scuffle with someone they want to handcuff...someone who may have done nothing but sass them. It doesn’t matter if the person is a brittle old woman, the cop doesn’t ask, if the cop pleases, down she goes.
By the way, they say one terrorist got waterboarded over 100x. Anyone ever get tased that many?
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The way I look at it, if the apprehended terrorist has knowledge about an impending terror attack, he is a conspirator in it and he is in the process of committing it even if he’s in custody; and you need to prevent the atrocity. Just the same as you’d tase him, if you had to, while he’s in prison about to stick a shiv in the neck of a guard or fellow prisoner.
He’s apprehended, he’s not in some absolute sanctuary, and if an attack is impending and you may stop it by tasing or waterboarding him, how is that different from tasing him when he moves threateningly toward you in the course of a minor traffic arrest?
Just for the record Dziekanski wasn’t a misbehaving drunk. He just was lost and couldn’t speak English. He was calling for the police and when they came he threw his hands up. They then proceeding to tackle the poor man and zap him five times. Really awful behavior by the mounties.
I'd take a Billy Club to the head over a Taser any day. Bumps go away
Now the view of the public and the MSM is that they were armed with the knowledge of who Dziekanski was.
(1) He was likely a large man who "would not harm a fly".
(2) He was going to start a new life in Canada. He really had no violent criminal record, as far as is known.
(3) He had been subject to unreasonable delay and worst of all- absolute isolation.
Now we move to the RCMP. What did they know? What was their past knowledge? Were they previously appraised of a fellow officer playing social nice guy with a belligerent individual, then being stabbed or kicked. Even having the attempt at an eye being gouged. Did they know of an officer losing his life, trying to negotiate with a large violent man?
Having posed those two areas of reason ( I hope it is reason), let me inform all and sundry of the great Canadian public. I had mentioned it before on FR. I was fifty years old as an underpaid security in a large mall. A beserk punk,half my age, tried to kick me to oblivion. There were two hundred people watching. Only two persons tried to assist me.
Ah yes! some of those who watched, were quite willing to tell me what I SHOULD have done.
From their armmchairs, goaded on by the media, the Canadian public are very judgemental.
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