[Rippin]

The dearth of really smart math and science students from our own ranks has nothing to do with it?

[fifthestate]

It is a vicious cycle. Why would anyone pursue a science or engineering major when they know their earnings will be undercut by foreigners?

[seatrout]

According to Shlafly, there really isn't that much of a "dearth", but the smart Americans cost more to hire than Pujabis and Bengalis.

[dirtboy]

The dearth of really smart math and science students from our own ranks has nothing to do with it?

Why should a college kid go to the trouble of getting an engineering degree when his job will just get outsourced within five years?

[Da Coyote]

“The dearth of really smart math and science students from our own ranks has nothing to do with it?”

This is my profession, and I am reluctant to encourage any smart students to pursue advanced degrees. Our MBAs, politicians, and others of no intellectual accomplishment have allowed our jobs to go elsewhere. Why study difficult subjects for years and years whilst watching social “science” and law majors become our “leaders”...spending our tax dollars and enriching their corrupt supporters?

[tbw2]

It’s a self perpetuating cycle. Why go into the field if it will be outsourced or even in-sourced to foreigners? Which then keeps Americans from going in, which leads to calls to get more foreigners.
The solution is to close all visas for 5 years except for possibly those who have waited 5+ years to legally immigrate, because we have too many unemployed of any nationality within our own borders.

[fremont_steve]

It has everything to do with it! I’m an engineer in Silicon Valley with 30 years of experience. When I was in school (A Cal State..) 95% of my class were US citizens. Now it is likely 20-30%. So the pool of graduating US engineers is already mostly foreign born.

At the same time - for most of my career, I felt that the US was the main benefactor, i.e. we attracted the best and brightest from other countries here. I still feel that way.

So I’ve got mixed emotions about the H1B limits. At the same time, there are OTHER types of Visas (simply don’t remember the number) that ARE really abused by some employers. I had one employer that DID bring over Indian workers and farmed them out to US companies. They lived together in a company owned apartment and collected Indian level wages. The Visa they were on was suppose to be limited to training.

Those are the guys I object too!