Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 04/29/2009 8:30:53 AM PDT by Starman417
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Starman417

Do you get the feeling that they’re throwing scandal after scandal at us intentionally?


2 posted on 04/29/2009 8:34:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

Wonderful work uncovering “The Big Lie”. Those that truly want to know the news will read this unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans will never hear this. It’s a effective liberal tack tick. Give the wrong information, which sticks in most minds, then later when the truth comes out, most will still believe the lie.


3 posted on 04/29/2009 8:37:29 AM PDT by blueyon (It is worth taking a stand even if you are standing alone!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

I wonder why the link is being denied by “Web Filtering” on my work computer?


4 posted on 04/29/2009 8:38:00 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

Might have been a big mistake to snow Bill Gertz this early in the regime.
He’s a real bulldog


7 posted on 04/29/2009 8:40:59 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

obuma lied? Like fixing his tie.


10 posted on 04/29/2009 8:42:13 AM PDT by onedoug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417
So what. ABCNBCCBSCNN already got the headline they wanted and have moved on.

Today they're hot on Obama's first 100 days celebration.

13 posted on 04/29/2009 8:43:38 AM PDT by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417; AAABEST; Abundy; Uncle Bill; billbears; Victoria Delsoul; Fiddlstix; fporretto; ...

Here’s a story I got sent to me by people “in the know”:

The story of: The POTUS and the Pirates [ought to make a good movie].

Your “Real” story is not exactly the way I heard it, and probably has a few political twists thrown in to stir the pot. Rather than me trying to correct it, I’ll just tell you what I found out from my contacts at NSWC Norfolk and at SOCOM Tampa.

First though, let me orient you to familiarize you with the “terrain.”

In Africa from Djibouti at the southern end of the Red Sea eastward through the Gulf of Aden to round Cape Guardafui at the easternmost tip of Africa (also known as “The Horn of Africa”) is about a 600 nm transit before you stand out into the Indian Ocean. That transit is comparable in distance to that from the mouth of the Mississippi at New Orleans to the tip of Florida at Key West – except that 600 nm over there is infested with Somalia pirates.

Ships turning southward at the Horn of Africa transit the SLOC (Sea Lane of Commerce) along the east coast of Somalia because of the prevailing southerly currents there. It’s about 1,500 nm on to Mombassa, which is just south of the equator in Kenya. Comparably, that’s about the transit distance from Portland Maine down the east coast of the US to Miami Florida. In other words, the ocean area being patrolled by our naval forces off the coast of Somalia is comparable to that in the Gulf of Mexico from the Mississippi River east to Miami then up the eastern seaboard to Maine.

Second, let me globally orient you from our Naval Operating Base in Norfolk, VA, east across the Atlantic to North Africa, thence across the Med to Suez in Egypt, thence southward down the Red Sea to Djibouti at the Gulf of Aden, thence eastward to round Cape Guardafui at the easternmost tip of Africa, and thence southerly some 300 miles down the east cost of Somali out into the high seas of the Indian Ocean to the position of MV ALABAMA is a little more than 7,000 nm, and plus-nine time-zones ahead of EST.

Hold that thought, in that, a C-17 transport averaging a little better than 400 kts (SOG) takes the best part of 18 hours to make that trip. In the evening darkness late Thursday night, a team of Navy SEALs from NSWC (Naval Surface Warfare Center) Norfolk parachuted from such a C-17 into the black waters (no refraction of light) of the Indian Ocean – close-aboard to our 40,000 ton amphibious assault ship, USS BOXER (LHD 4), the flagship of our ESG (Expeditionary Strike Group) in the AOR (Area Of Responsibility, the Gulf of Aden). They not only parachuted in with all of their “equipment,” they had their own inflatable boats, RHIB’s (Rigid Hull, Inflatable Boats) with them for over-water transport. They went into BOXER’s landing dock, debarked, and staged for the rescue – Thursday night.

And, let me comment on time-late: In that the SEAL’s quick response – departing ready-alert in less than 4 hours from Norfolk – supposedly surprised POTUS’s staff, whereas President Obama was miffed not to get his “cops” there before the Navy. He reportedly questioned his staff, “Will ‘my’ FBI people get there before the Navy does?” It took the FBI almost 12 hours to put together a team and get them packed-up – for an “at sea” rescue. The FBI was trying to tell him that they are not practiced to do this – Navy SEALs are. But, BHO wanted the FBI there “to help,” that is, carry out the Attorney General’s (his) orders to negotiate the release of Captain Phillips peacefully – because apparently he doesn’t trust GW’s military to carry out his “political guidance.”

The flight of the FBI’s passenger jet took a little less than 14 hours at 500-some knots to get to Djibouti. BOXER’S helos picked them up and transported them out to the ship. The Navy SEALs were already there, staged, and ready to act by the time POTUS’s FBI arrived on board later that evening. Notably, the first request by the OSC (On Scene Commander) that early Friday morning to take them out and save Captain Phillips was denied, to wit: “No, wait until ‘my’ FBI people get there.”

Third, please consider a candid assessment of ability that finds that the FBI snipers had never practiced shooting from a rolling, pitching, yawing, surging, swaying, heaving platform – and, target – such as a ship and a lifeboat on the high seas. Navies have been doing since Admiral Nelson who had trained “Marines” to shoot muskets from the ship’s rigging – ironically, he was killed at sea in HMS VICTORY at the Battle of Trafalgar by a French Marine rifleman that shot him from the rigging of the French ship that they were grappling alongside.

Notably, when I was first training at USNA in 1955, the Navy was doing it with a SATU, Small Arms Training Unit, based at our Little Creek amphib base. Now, Navy SEAL’s, in particular SEAL Team SIX (The
“DevGru”) based at NSWC (Naval Surface Warfare Center) at Little Creek do that training now, and hone their skills professionally – daily.
Shooting small arms from a ship is more of an accomplished “Art Form”
than it is a practiced skill. When you are “in the bubble” and “in tune”
with the harmonic motion you find, through practice, that you are “able to put three .308 slugs inside the head of a quarter at 100 meters, in day or night – or, behind a camouflaged net or a thin enclosure, such as a superstructure bulkhead. Yes, we have the monocular scopes that can “see” heat – and, draw a bead on it. SEALs are absolutely expert at it – with the movie clips to prove it.

Okay, now try to imagine patrolling among the boats fishing everyday out on the Grand Banks off our New England coast, and then responding to a distress call from down around the waters between Florida and the Bahamas. Three points for you to consider here: (1) Time-Distance-Speed relationships for ships on the high seas, for instance, at a 25-knot SOA (Speed Of Advance) it takes 24 hours to make good 600 nm – BAINBRIDGE did. (2) Fishermen work on the high seas, and (3) The best place to hide as a “fisherman” pirate is among other fishermen.

Early Wednesday morning, 4/8/2009, MV ALABAMA is at sea in the IO about 300 miles off the (east) coast of Somalia en route to Mombassa, Kenya.
Pirates in small boat start harassing her, and threatening her with weapons. MV ALABAMA’s captain sent out the distress call by radio, and ordered his Engineer to shut down the engines as well as the ship-service electrical generators – in our lingo, “Go dark and cold.”
He informed his crew by radio what was happening, and ordered them to go to an out-of-the-way compartment and lock themselves in it – from the inside. He would stay in the pilot house to “negotiate” with the pirates.

The pirates boarded, captured the Captain, and ordered him to start the engines. He said he would order his Engineer to do so, and he called down to Engine Control on the internal communication system, but got no answer. The lead pirate ordered two of his four men to go down and find him and get the engines started.

Inside a ship without any lights is like the definition of dark. The advantage goes to the people who work and live there. They jumped the two pirates in a dark passageway. Both pirates lost their weapons, but one managed to scramble and get away. The other they tied up, put tape over his mouth and a knife at his throat.

Other members of the crew opened the drain cocks on the pirates boat and cast it adrift. It foundered and sank. The scrambling pirate made it back to the pilot house and told of his demise. The pirates took the Captain at gun point, and told him to launch one of his rescue boats (not a life boat, per se). As he was lowering the boat for them, the crew appeared with the other pirate to negotiate a trade. The crew let their hostage go too soon, and the pirates kept the captain. But, he purposefully had lowered the boat so it would jam.

With the rescue boat jammed, the pirates jumped over to a lifeboat and released it as the captain jumped in the water. They fired at him, made him stop, and grabbed him out of the water. Now, as night falls in the vastness of the Indian Ocean, we have the classic “Mexican” standoff, to
wit: A life-boat that is just that, a life-boat adrift without any means of propulsion except oars and paddles; and, a huge (by comparison) Motor Vessel Container Ship adrift with a crew that is not going to leave their captain behind. The pirates are enclosed under its shelter-covering, holding the captain as their hostage. The crew is hunkered down in their ship waiting for the “posse” to arrive.

After receiving MV ALABAMA’S distress call, USS BAINBRIDGE (DDG 96) was dispatched by the ESG commander to respond to ALABAMA’s distress call.
At best sustainable speed, she arrived on scene the day after – that is, in the dark of that early Thursday morning. As BAINBRIDGE quietly and slowly, at darkened-ship without any lights to give her away, arrived on scene, please consider a recorded interview with the Chief Engineer of MV ALABAMA describing BAINBRIDGE’s arrival. He said it was something else “... to see the Navy slide in there like a greyhound!” He then said as she slipped in closer he could see the “Stars and Stripes” flying from her masthead. He got choked up saying it was the “...proudest moment of my life.”

Phew! Let that sink in.

Earlier in the day, one of the U.S. Navy’s Maritime Patrol Aircraft, a fixed wing P3C, flew over to recon the scene. They dropped a buoy with a radio to the pirates so that the Navy’s interpreter could talk with the pirates. When BAINBRIDGE arrived, the pirates thought the radio to be a beaconing device, and threw it overboard. They wanted a satellite telephone so that they could call home for help. Remember now, they are fishermen, not “Rocket Scientists,” they don’t know that we can intercept the phone transmission also.

MV ALABAMA provided them with a satellite phone. They called home back to “somebody” in Eyl Somalia (so that we now know where you live) to come out and get them. The “somebody” in Eyl said they would be out right away with other hostages, like 54 of them from other countries, and that they would be coming out in two of their pirated ships. Right – and, the tooth fairy will let you have sex with her. Yeah, in paradise.
The “somebody” in Eyl just chalked up four more expendables as overhead for “the cost of operation.” Next page.

Anyway, ESG will continue to “watch” Eyl for any ships standing out.

The Navy SEAL team, SEAL TEAM SIX, from NSWC briefed the OSC (Commander Castellano, CO BAINBRIDGE) on how they could rescue the captain from the life boat with swimmers – “Combat Swimmers,” per se. That plan was denied by POTUS because it put the captain in danger – and, involved killing the pirates.

The FBI negotiators arrived on scene, and talked the pirates into sending their wounded man over for treatment Saturday morning. Later that afternoon, the SEAL’s sent over their RHIB with food and water to recon the life boat but the pirates shot at it. They could have taken them out then (from being fired upon) but were denied again being told that the captain was not in “imminent danger.” The FBI negotiators calmed the situation by informing the pirates of threatening weather as they could see storm clouds closing from the horizon, and offered to tow the life boat. The pirates agreed, and BAINBRIDGE took them under tow in their wake at 30 meters – exactly 30 meters, which is exactly the distance the SEALs practice their shooting skills.

With the lifeboat under tow, riding comfortably bow-down on BAINBRIDGE’s wake-wave (”rooster tail”), had a 17-second period of harmonic motion, and at the end of every half-period (8.5 seconds) was steady on. The light-enhanced (infra-red heat) monocular scopes on the SEAL’s .308 caliber Mark 11 Mod 0 H&K suppressor-fitted sniper rifles easily imaged their target very clearly. Pirates in a life boat at 30-meters could be compared to fish in a barrel. All that was necessary was to take out the plexiglass window so that it would not deflect the trajectory of the high velocity .308 round. So, a sniper (one of four) with a wad-cutter round (a flaxen sabot) would take out the window a split second before the kill-shot – no change in sight-picture, just the window blowing out, clean.

Now, here’s the part BHO’s “whiz kids” knew as well as the Navy hierarchy, including CO BAINBRIDGE and CO SEAL TEAM SIX. It’s the law in Article 19 of Appendix L in the “Convention of the High Seas” that the Commanding Officer of a US Ship on the high seas is obligated to respond to distress signals from any flagged ship (US or otherwise), and protect the life and property thereof when deemed to be in IMMINENT DANGER. So, in the final analysis, it would be Captain Castellano’s call as to “Imminent Danger,” and that he alone was obligated (duty bound) to act accordingly.

Got the picture?

After medically attending to the wounded pirated, and feeding him, come first light (from the east) on Easter Sunday morning and the pirates saw they were being towed further out to sea (instead of westward toward land), the wounded pirate demanded to be returned to the lifeboat. There would BE NO more negotiations – and, the four Navy SEAL snipers “in the bubble” went “Unlock.” The pirate holding Captain Philips raised the gun to his head, and IMMINENT DANGER was so observed and noted in the Log as CO BAINBRIDGE gave the classic order: WEAPONS RELEASED! I can hear the echo in my earpiece now, “On my count (from 8.5 seconds), 3, 2, 1, !”
POP, BANG! Out went the window, followed by three simultaneous shots.
The scoreboard flashed: “GAME OVER, GAME OVER – NAVY 3, PIRATES 0!”

I hope you found the above informative as best I know it – and, please excuse me in that after more than 50 years the Navy is still in me. I submit that AMERICA is going to make a comeback, and more than likely it’ll be on the back of our cherished youth serving with honor in Our military. So, let’s

Look Up, Get Up – and, Never Give Up!

God Bless Our Troops, and

GOD SAVE AMERICA!


15 posted on 04/29/2009 8:45:24 AM PDT by Sir Gawain ("Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect" - Thoreau)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

ping


16 posted on 04/29/2009 8:46:24 AM PDT by Tahoe3002 (Politicians = Proof Positive that Crime does Pay.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417
President Obama had authorized the redeployment of a SEAL team from Kenya to the Bainbridge

What was a SEAL team doing in Kenya???

17 posted on 04/29/2009 8:48:15 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

There was alot of well founded suspicion here at FR the first time Capt. Phillips jumped into the water and there was no response from our side.

By bringing the surviving pirate back to the US the Obama people will try and recoup their stance by apologizing profusely to the pirates.

Chief Mate Murphy (2nd in command of Maersk Alabama) needs to get educated on who his friends really are & it’s not Obama Inc.


22 posted on 04/29/2009 8:55:51 AM PDT by Cold Heart
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

bttt


23 posted on 04/29/2009 9:08:32 AM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamofascist Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

Watch someone get blamed for not calculating the time zone differences correctly....ha ha

Another example that ON THE JOB TRAINING isn’t appropriate for President of the United States.


24 posted on 04/29/2009 9:09:20 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

I instinctively knew that in the beginning when they didn’t blow up the raft when the captain jumped overboard. The scary thing is they say FDR kept getting reelected even with a puke economy because they LIKED him.


25 posted on 04/29/2009 9:09:29 AM PDT by libbylu (Sarah - the light of the midnight sun)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

Throwing lies after lies after lies at your enemies makes him work harder burning up resources to seek out the truth, mostly it creates predictable patterns of behavior so as to also use in suppression.

Prisoners in POW camps were constantly on the move or given duties of a meaningless nature like digging holes and the filling them up, even in everyday group functions its something we all do when we have a group of people available with nothing for them to do, so you keep them jumping from one project to another, keep them off balance, in a way its like boot camp training, break down old habits so as to be re-trained.

Obama is breaking down America so as to be trained into acting in a different fashion.

Like Muslims maybe?


27 posted on 04/29/2009 9:15:47 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

Yep, the time delay was fishy, stunk of Obama waffling, now we know the story.

Freepers are not shocked, we saw this weakness in Obamessiah long ago.

Now, with the fourth pirate in NYC for trial, look for our Pravda media to make that “poor, young black” pirate into a sympathetic figure. Sounds crazy? Just watch....


29 posted on 04/29/2009 9:26:16 AM PDT by moodyskeptic (the counterculture votes R)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

It might be easier to compare if the times were shown with equivalent times in parenthesis. For example,
Day hour Somalia time = (day, hour, Washington time) or
Day hour Washington time = (day, hour, Somalia time.


33 posted on 04/29/2009 9:45:12 AM PDT by IM2MAD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417
Thanks are due to Mr. Miller for pinning down the time of the first SEAL-team authorization. Other sources offer redundant documentation of the Bainbridge's arrival on-scene in the early AM local time on the 9th, not on the 10th, as the Pentagon claimed. According to CNN, the USS Bainbridge arrived on the scene of the hijacking "before dawn Thursday." AP's timeline is more specific:

ON THURSDAY 4:00 a.m.: U.S. Navy destroyer U.S.S. Bainbridge reaches the Maersk Alabama.

After opening with the statement that the Bainbridge arrived before dawn, the CNN report goes on to say that the Bainbridge arrived at 8PM, but this seeming discrepancy is easily resolved. 4:00 AM Wednesday morning in Somalia was 8:00 PM Tuesday evening in Washington. (There is a 9 time-zone difference between Washington and Somalia, but the "spring forward" during daylight savings chops it to 8. This is why some televisions stations continued to refer to "Tuesday's hijacking." They first reported it here in the States on Tuesday the 7th.)

Am I missing something here? Are they not jumping a full day?

I understand the time difference argument... 0400 Somali time equals 2000 the day before, Washington time..., but they are clearly saying Thursday morning, 0400 local, but the article immediately states Wednesday morning 0400 then backs that up to Tuesday.

38 posted on 04/29/2009 11:46:50 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 (The U.S. Constitution may be flawed, but it's a whole lot better than what we have now)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Starman417

Zero’s Administration is a gutless liars, IMO.


39 posted on 04/29/2009 12:26:58 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson