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New details in fatal swine flu case
KTRK-Houston ^ | 4-29-08 | Ted Oberg

Posted on 04/29/2009 5:14:08 PM PDT by Snickering Hound

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To: BP2
they’re not showing symptoms at this time

That's quite different from: We've taken samples from the parents and sent to CDC to test for manbirdpig virus.

21 posted on 04/29/2009 7:22:54 PM PDT by glock rocks (Taglines? We don't need no steenkin taglines.)
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To: AppyPappy

>>> This is not a good time for these people to be coy

Yes. I know we’re the “public,” and as such we are morons compared to our elected leaders and those in the medical profession...

But I’m getting pretty damn angry at both groups playing “I’ve got a secret,” endangering my family because they are controlling the flow of vital information that the public needs to know about.

When they declare a Global WHO Level 5 Pandemic alert, while also out of the other side of their mouths saying that “WHO has confirmed only 7 deaths ... no need to panic,” it makes me think ALL of the sounds coming out of their terse & pompous noiseholes are lies!


22 posted on 04/29/2009 7:49:02 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Snickering Hound; All
On the local TV news in Houston at 10 pm:

The first actual confirmed case of Swine Flu originating in Houston was announced this evening at Episcopal High School in Bellaire, a suburb of Houston.

School Head Master, Ned Smith, got call from Harris Co Health Officials approximately 6 pm tonight that testing confirmed that a teenage girl was infected with Swine Flu.

The teenager girl lives in neighboring Fort Bend County, but goes to school in Harris County. She got sick late last week with flu-like systems. She went to her local doctor, and was tested there and got the test results just hours ago.

A Fort Bend County spokeswoman said that the teenage girl is “completely recovered and is ready to go back to school.” Instead, her school will be closing for the rest of the week, and possibly longer, while it is sanitized.

The girl was never hospitalized, but Ft Bend County Health officials are looking at about 30 other cases. It is unclear if those 30 cases are related to this teenage girl or not.

Also reported: The 23-month-old child that died lived in Mexico City, but “reportedly” got sick while visiting relatives in Brownsville. [bullsh!t, IMO]

He was transported to Texas Children's Hospital 15 days ago, dying on Monday.

A person from Health and Human Services said that the child who died poses no additional threat to the Houston community because he arrived to Houston on medical transport. [bullsh!t, IMO]

Doctors say no other patients were exposed to the boy. [bullsh!t, IMO]

His parents are still "here" (presumably at the hospital), yet have shown no signs of the illness of any kind. [bullsh!t, IMO]

Also, with Gov. Perry's disaster declaration today, it freed up 25% of Texas’ allotment of antiviral medications from the National Stockpile.

MY COMMENTARY: Bellaire is a high-end suburb of Houston where A LOT of medical personnel from the Houston Medical Center call home. The Houston Medical Center is a complex of numerous hospitals and medical facilities just south of downtown Houston. Included in this complex is Texas Children's Hospital, where the 23-month-old from Mexico was treated for nearly 2 weeks before he died on Monday.

In my opinion, it is VERY likely one of the medical staff brought the flu home from Texas Children's Hospital (or some other hospital) and accidentally transmitted it to his/her teenage daughter who then got sick and has subsequently transmitted it to other students at Episcopal HS in Bellaire.

23 posted on 04/29/2009 8:51:22 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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Ping to #23


24 posted on 04/29/2009 8:57:43 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Snickering Hound

I’m not buying it.

I guarantee you he contacted it in Mexico where it started.


25 posted on 04/29/2009 9:02:19 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Snickering Hound
Worse than that, it means he didn’t contract it in Mexico

Oh, come on. Of course he contracted it in Mexico. Just look at the odds. He got it where hundreds - maybe thousands - of people are already sick.

26 posted on 04/29/2009 9:04:05 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

We are supposed to throw our common sense out the window I suppose!


27 posted on 04/29/2009 9:06:07 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: BP2; battletank; penelopesire

I pray you are right. I was not that concerned until today....especially for Texas(my home).

This post was very alarming(from another thread):

“A friend of mine on another board posted this email she received from her doctor in Texas. It’s sounding pretty scary to me:

New Braunfels, TX

After I returned from a public health meeting yesterday with community leaders and school officials in Comal County and Hays County, Heather suggested I send an update to my patients in the area, because what we are hearing privately from the CDC and Health Department is different from what you are hearing in the media. Some of you know some of this, but I will just list what facts I know.

- The virus is infectious for about 2 days prior to symptom onset

- Virus spreads more than 7 days after symptom onset (possibly as long as 9 days) (this is more unusual than ordinary flu)

- Since it is such a novel (new) virus, there is no “herd immunity,” so the “attack rate” is very high. This is the percentage of people who come down with a virus if exposed. Almost everyone who is exposed to this virus will become infected, though not all will be symptomatic. That is much higher than seasonal flu, which averages 10-15%. The “clinical attack rate” estimation from CDC and WHO may be around 40-50%. This is the number of people who show symptoms. This is a huge number. It is hard to convey the seriousness of this to those outside of the medical fields.

- The virulence (deadliness) of this virus is as bad here as in Mexico, and there are folks on ventilators here in the US, right now. This has not been in the media, but a 23 month old in Houston is fighting for his life, and a pregnant woman just south of San Antonio is fighting for her life. In Mexico, these folks might have died already, but here in the US, folks are getting Tamiflu or Relenza quickly, and we have ready access to ventilators. What this means is that within a couple of weeks, regional hospitals will likely become overwhelmed.

- Some of the kids with positive cases in Comal County have had more than 70 contacts before diagnosis as a minimum figure.

- There are 10-25 times more actual cases (not “possible” cases — actual), than what is being reported in the media. The way they fudge on reporting this is that it takes 3 days to get the confirmatory nod from the CDC on a given viral culture, but based on epidemiological grounds, we know that there are more than 10 cases for each “confirmed” case right now.

- During the night, we crossed the threshold for the definition of a WHO, Phase 6 global pandemic. This has not happened in any of our lifetimes so far. We are in uncharted territory.

- They are advising President Obama to declare an emergency sometime in the next 72-96 hours. This may not happen, but if it doesn’t, I will be surprised. When this happens, all public gathering will be cancelled for 10 days minimum.

- I suggest all of us avoid public gatherings. Outdoor activities are not as likely to lead to infection. It is contained areas and close contact that are the biggest risk.

- Tamiflu is running out. There is a national stockpile, but it will have to be carefully managed for law enforcement and first responders as it is not enough to treat the likely number of infections when this is full-blown. I don’t think there is a big supply of Relenza, but I do not know those numbers. If I had to choose, I would take Relenza, as I think it gets more drug to the affected tissue than Tamiflu.

- You should avoid going to the ER if you think you have been exposed or are symptomatic. ER’s south of here are becoming overwhelmed today— and I mean that — already. It is coming in waves, but the waves are getting bigger.

- It appears that this flu produces a distinctive “hoarseness” in many victims. The symptoms, in general, match other flu’s; namely, sore throat, body aches, headache, cough, and fever. What is not too common in regular flu cycles is vomiting and diarrhea which seems to be associated with this, further dehydrating victims. Some have all these symptoms, while others may have only one or two.

- N-Acetyl-Cysteine — a nutritional supplement available at the health food store or Wimberley Pharmacy, has been shown to prevent or lessen the severity of influenza. I suggest 1200mg, twice a day for adults, and 600mg twice a day in kids over 12. It would be hard to get kids under 12 to take it, but you could try opening the capsules and putting it on yogurt. For 40 pounds and up, 300-600 mg twice a day, for less than 40 pounds, half that.

- Oscillococinum, a homeopathic remedy, has been vindicated as quite effective in a large clinical trial in Europe, with an H1N1 variant. You can buy this at Hill Country Natural Foods, or the Wimberley Pharmacy.

I will try to keep everyone posted if I have any new information. Meanwhile, don’t be afraid, stay informed and try to avoid infection. The fewer people infected the easier it will be for our public officials to manage it.

If any of my patients become ill, or suspect infection, call the office, do not come without calling and DO NOT go to the ER. If one member in a family is identified all would be given the Tamiflu or Relenza (that is normal course of action) if there is enough distributed to fill prescriptions. Public health stated that one family member identified or suspected to have contracted the flu it will require the whole family to be ‘quarantined’ in their own home until enough time has passed for the remaining household to have contracted it or be considered infection free ( 7 to 10 days per person). As another suggestion, if any member of the family is on routine medication- fill those prescriptions now. Have plenty fluids, Motrin, soups, etc available and make contingency plans in case your family is affected.”

114 posted on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:15:15 PM by battletank
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29 posted on 04/30/2009 5:17:19 AM PDT by DvdMom
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To: kcvl

dittos what you said. This is the Mexican flue.


30 posted on 04/30/2009 7:00:24 AM PDT by Darwin Fish
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To: Snickering Hound

Obviously, what happens in Mexico doesn’t stay in Mexico.


31 posted on 04/30/2009 7:02:45 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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