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The Founders on Homosexuality
Apologetics Press ^ | Dave Miller, Ph.D.

Posted on 05/02/2009 3:35:50 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

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"This crime, tho repugnant to every sentiment of decency and delicacy, is very prevalent in corrupt and debauched countries where the low pleasures of sensuality and luxury have depraved the mind and degraded the appetite below the brutal creation. Our modest ancestors, it seems by the diction of the law, had no idea that a man would commit this crime [anal intercourse with either sex]. . . . [H]ere, by force of common law, [it is] punished with death. . . . [because of] the disgust and horror with which we treat of this abominable crime."--Zephaniah Swift

Has Homosexuality Always Been Incompatible With Military Service?

1 posted on 05/02/2009 3:35:50 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Ping!


2 posted on 05/02/2009 3:38:18 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Also fifty years ago, no one really appreciated the substantial role homosexuality played within the fledgling German national socialist labor movement.
3 posted on 05/02/2009 3:39:42 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

The next domino has fallen. The first several fell when, from 1971 to 2001, over half of the fifty states eliminated their sodomy laws. The next fell on June 26, 2003, when the U.S. Supreme Court struck down all state sodomy laws in their infamous Lawrence v. Texas ruling. Cascading after that, the Supreme Court of Massachusetts declared the issuance of marriage licenses for same-sex couples to be constitutional. The first marriage licenses were issued to same-sex couples on May 17, 2004. Now, less than a year later, the state of New York is following suit. State court judge Doris Ling-Cohan has ruled that the New York City clerk may not deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Her rationale? “Under both the federal and New York State constitutions, it is beyond question that ‘the right to liberty’ extends to protect marriage” (“Judge Nixes...,” 2005, emp. added). She further insisted: “Similar to opposite-sex couples, same-sex couples are entitled to the same fundamental right to follow their hearts and publicly commit to a lifetime partnership with the person of their choosing” (as quoted in Kearney, 2005, emp. added). Any dominoes that remain will inevitably fall in March 2005, when a new video will be distributed to 61,000 schools across the nation—a video in which homosexual activists are using popular children’s television characters to urge tolerance and acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle. The inevitable moral implosion of America is happening right before our very eyes.

A pernicious plague of moral insanity is creeping insidiously through American civilization. Far more deadly than the external threat of terrorism, this domino effect will ultimately end in the moral implosion of America. Indeed, America is being held captive by moral and judicial terrorism. Those at the forefront of the attempt to coerce the country into altering its long-standing code of moral values are activist judges. Their tortured “interpretation” of constitutional law demonstrates that they have no respect for existing laws. Instead, they apparently see themselves as the appropriate architects of social change by usurping their constitutional role and legislating from the bench. They have placed themselves at odds with the history of Western civilization. With no regard for American legal history and the body of constitutional law that has remained largely intact from the beginning of the nation until the 1950s and 1960s, they essentially have swept away over 150 years of American judicial precedent with a flippant wave of the hand. They are literally restructuring the American moral landscape with an unflinching vengeance that is unmoved by the widespread national outrage to the contrary.America’s Inevitable Moral Implosion

4 posted on 05/02/2009 3:40:04 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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Of course this is true but the fact is that slavery used to be legal and this is often one of the levers used to say that the old laws against homosexuality were just as egregiously wrong. I’m just sayin’ since that’s one of the big arguments you know.


5 posted on 05/02/2009 3:41:20 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

It is interesting that the Torys, who sanctioned homosexuality, today align themselves with “Patriotic Liberals”. These liberals of today would have been the Torys of 1776. Those who would have been British Loyalists.


6 posted on 05/02/2009 3:45:49 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: SpaceBar
The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party
7 posted on 05/02/2009 3:46:52 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Homosexuality in our culture really took off when the DNC first saw them as a voting block.


8 posted on 05/02/2009 3:47:57 PM PDT by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

bookmark


9 posted on 05/02/2009 3:48:00 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

10 posted on 05/02/2009 3:49:49 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: Paved Paradise

There is a fundamental difference between the practice of involuntary servitude or treating people as mere property as opposed to people who define their entire lives around their sordid sexual perversions. Granted, people will invoke it, but it is a frivolous comparison.


11 posted on 05/02/2009 3:50:01 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

2 Chronicles 7:14

If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

12 posted on 05/02/2009 3:50:59 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: umgud

Indeed. My late Baptist, FDR/Truman/JFK/LBJ supportin’ grandparents would be shocked to see what the Democratic Party they once loved and voted for turned into.


13 posted on 05/02/2009 3:56:06 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Fantastic post... and more fuel for the fire of the America-haters that now number the ranks of the current administration.

The simple fact is we will eventually be persecuted for our faith and condemned all the more for what we believe. We have to continue, however not only to claim the faith that owns us, but to proclaim it, remembering that God is God...

and God will not be mocked.

Thank you for posting this.


14 posted on 05/02/2009 3:56:55 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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One isn’t born gay, one can be born black (which was the basis of slavery in the US, and denial of equal protection under the US laws).


15 posted on 05/02/2009 4:04:05 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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Interesting, I hadn't really considered Blackstone as a Founding Father before. It would be also interesting to compare the Founders' sayings on letting women and nonwhite people have full political rights as well.

I revere the Founding Fathers as much as anyone here, but they were men of their times, even though they were considerably ahead of their times in the matter of working and fighting for self-government. Thomas Jefferson's words notwithstanding, I'm not going to advocate dismembering homosexuals.

It's not like the Bible, folks, it's not "all right" or "all wrong".

16 posted on 05/02/2009 4:04:28 PM PDT by hunter112 (SHRUG - Stop Hussein's Radical Utopian Gameplan!)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

bookmark for later.


17 posted on 05/02/2009 4:10:01 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: hunter112

“It’s not like the Bible, folks, it’s not “all right” or “all wrong”.”

Ummmmmmmm, yes it is.


18 posted on 05/02/2009 4:14:25 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
America is being held captive by moral terrorists.
19 posted on 05/02/2009 4:19:25 PM PDT by AKA Elena (Mary, Help of Christians, Pray for us.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Anyone having had friends, relatives or work mates that are homosexual is painfully aware that it is no more normal than drug addiction, alcoholism or any other self destructive lifestyle.
I believe they have a right as free individuals to ruin their own lives. Their lifestyle should not be used against them unless they engage in illegal behavior. Then they should be treated as anyone else.

I believe parents have a right and a responsibility to inform their children that this isn’t a normal lifestyle and no matter what their school tries to tell them it will bring them only heartache, disease, drug addiction and a life span of up to 25 years less than the average person.

What makes them different is sexual tastes, sexual conduct and sexual partners. Children should not be exposed to indoctrination by homosexual activists any more than drug dealers should be allowed to come to the school and tell children that it’s normal to take drugs.

Someday a whole generation of liberally raised children are going to rise up against their parents and teachers and know them for what they are liars who put their children’s lives in danger by convincing them that they would rather their children were homosexuals than Christians. There will be a day of reckoning for liberals.


20 posted on 05/02/2009 4:20:43 PM PDT by ODDITHER (HAT)
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