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U.S. military destroys soldier's Bibles
one News now ^ | 5/4/2009 | One news now

Posted on 05/05/2009 11:14:16 AM PDT by mikelets456

The U.S. military is confirming that it has destroyed some Bibles belonging to an American soldier serving in Afghanistan.

Reuters News says the Bibles were confiscated and destroyed after Qatar-based Al Jazeer television showed soldiers at a Bible class on a base with a stack of Bibles translated into the local Pashto and Dari languages. The U.S. military forbids its members on active duty -- including those based in places like Afghanistan -- from trying to convert people to another religion.

Reuters quotes Maj. Jennifer Willis at the Bagram Air Base, north of Kabul, who said "I can now confirm that the Bibles shown on Al Jazeera's clip were, in fact, collected by the chaplains and later destroyed. They were never distributed."

three soldiersAccording to the military officials, the Bibles were sent through private mail to an evangelical Christian soldier by his church back home. Reuters says the soldier brought them to the Bible study class where they were filmed.

The Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, told a Pentagon briefing Monday that the military's position is that it will never "push any specific religion."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bhodod; bibles; christian; destroyed; moralabsolutes; oef; persecution; usmilitary
We would not want them to know about the REAL Religion of Peace, now would we? I wonder if they converted them to Muslim or LIBERALISM (Progressive-ism) if that would be ok.
1 posted on 05/05/2009 11:14:16 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: mikelets456

“I can now confirm that the Bibles shown on Al Jazeera’s clip were, in fact, collected by the chaplains and later destroyed. They were never distributed.”

...you’ll NEVER read about Korans being destroyed! Never, ever, never! A##holes!! I’m sick and tired of this shiite!!


2 posted on 05/05/2009 11:17:02 AM PDT by albie
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To: mikelets456

Funny... and not in a “haha” sort of way.

If it were Korans in question being used by Muslim members of the armed forces to confirm the locals in their faith, they NEVER would have been destroyed.

Yet somehow it’s okay to disrespect and destroy Bibles? These double standards frighten me.


3 posted on 05/05/2009 11:18:33 AM PDT by MWS
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To: mikelets456
This isn't a policy of pushing a specific religion. This policy appears to be targeted to pushing ANY religion.

Of course, we know that our military has given korans to the detainees in Gitmo.

This is a double standard if there ever was one.

So it appears that our government DOES push one religion while oposing another.

Since Islamic jihadists often had no CHOICE in the matter of faith, they should’ve been given access to all religious texts, not just the Islamic koran, while in gitmo. Instead they were encouraged.

4 posted on 05/05/2009 11:18:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: albie

Dang, beat me to the post!


5 posted on 05/05/2009 11:19:25 AM PDT by MWS
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To: mikelets456
Forbidding active duty service members for converting others is one thing, but confiscating Bibles?

I'd respectfully tell my commanding officer to take a hike.

6 posted on 05/05/2009 11:20:49 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: mikelets456
Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of Scripture for the people of this nation and it is this same congress that founded the American Bible Society.

How times have changed. Those bibles could have influenced someone!

7 posted on 05/05/2009 11:22:48 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: albie
Amrtica is the only nation that has had an impact on peace in the world by sending misionaries out to convert the lost.

Denominations aside, the 20th century was an age of global missionary work worldwide.

So NOW can we acept it is a spiritual war and that our enemy is Satan?

8 posted on 05/05/2009 11:22:57 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: mikelets456

If someone WANTS you to give them a bible, that is not converting. That is being able to give them a bible in their own language.

Army, you’re wrong on this one.


9 posted on 05/05/2009 11:28:20 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: mikelets456

“the Bibles shown on Al Jazeera’s clip were, in fact, collected by the chaplains and later destroyed.”

A tough call for a Christian Chaplain.


10 posted on 05/05/2009 11:28:23 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: knarf

“Amrtica is the only nation that has had an impact on peace in the world by sending misionaries out to convert the lost.”

Well, let’s give the Brits their due. The had a heroic missionary effort in their day.


11 posted on 05/05/2009 11:29:24 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: mikelets456
This appears to be a set up by the Qatar-based Al Jazeer television to try to shut up the Christians up. They probably lied to the soldiers as to their intent in filming the situation, probably told them they were filming for a Christian outfit, or they taped them secretly.

It would probably be best for any future soldiers to be a little bit more secretive about any future Bible studies and be aware of their surroundings.

12 posted on 05/05/2009 11:33:46 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: Colofornian; Alex Murphy; Salvation; meandog; Conservative Coulter Fan; 2ndDivisionVet; OneVike; ...
Ping for your interest, further distribution, as appropriate.

BTW, the chaplain discussed in the article is Army Chaplain Lt. Col. Gary Hensley. He has been the subject of not a little controversy, having been accused multiple times of trying to encourage soldiers to proselytize the local nationals. Military.com article.

Apparently much of this stuff he's accused of is taken out of context, in an effort to make Christians, the military, and the United States look bad (from Al Jazeerah, the KosKids, and the other usual subjects).

Nonetheless, it appears that prayers are needed for him and his (US GI) flock over there.

13 posted on 05/05/2009 11:36:53 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: DTogo
Forbidding active duty service members for converting others is one thing, but confiscating Bibles?

Unless the soldiers in question were native Pashto and Dari speakers, these Bibles were not for personal study. The only thing they could be used for is handing out to the locals.

The army has a mission in that area and these soldiers, by bringing in the Bibles, were detrimental to that mission. If they want to come back to the area as missionaries when they are out of the army, then good for them.

14 posted on 05/05/2009 11:45:42 AM PDT by ConfusedAndLovingIt
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To: mikelets456

What this amounts to is shielding the koran and destroying the Bible. No such thing as neutrality. It looks like we’ve decided which side we’re on.


15 posted on 05/05/2009 11:46:59 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: mikelets456

Sorry but this doesnt pass the sniff test to me. I need to see this on Drudge or Fox before Im convinced.


16 posted on 05/05/2009 11:47:02 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (Support The American Tea Party)
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To: mikelets456

The U.S. military is destroying Bibles?????? I was ready to throw a rock at my computer when I saw this ping!


17 posted on 05/05/2009 11:47:55 AM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Yes ... I yjought of them before I posted ... but their sucess seems to have been most realized in America ... but yes ... England, Wales and Scotland all had a part in evangelizing.

The numbers though seem to go to America.

18 posted on 05/05/2009 11:48:41 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: mikelets456

Daily Readings for Tuesday May 05, 2009
http://www.catholic.org/bible/daily_reading/
Reading 1, Acts 11:19-26
19 Those who had scattered because of the persecution that arose over Stephen travelled as far as Phoenicia and Cyprus and Antioch, but they proclaimed the message only to Jews.
20 Some of them, however, who came from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch where they started preaching also to the Greeks, proclaiming the good news of the Lord Jesus to them.
21 The Lord helped them, and a great number believed and were converted to the Lord.
22 The news of them came to the ears of the church in Jerusalem and they sent Barnabas out to Antioch.
23 There he was glad to see for himself that God had given grace, and he urged them all to remain faithful to the Lord with heartfelt devotion;
24 for he was a good man, filled with the Holy Spirit and with faith. And a large number of people were won over to the Lord.
25 Barnabas then left for Tarsus to look for Saul,
26 and when he found him he brought him to Antioch. And it happened that they stayed together in that church a whole year, instructing a large number of people. It was at Antioch that the disciples were first called ‘Christians’.

Gospel, Jn 10:22-30
22 It was the time of the feast of Dedication in Jerusalem. It was winter,
23 and Jesus was in the Temple walking up and down in the Portico of Solomon.
24 The Jews gathered round him and said, ‘How much longer are you going to keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us openly.’
25 Jesus replied: I have told you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name are my witness;
26 but you do not believe, because you are no sheep of mine.
27 The sheep that belong to me listen to my voice; I know them and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life; they will never be lost and no one will ever steal them from my hand.
29 The Father, for what he has given me, is greater than anyone, and no one can steal anything from the Father’s hand.
30 The Father and I are one.


19 posted on 05/05/2009 11:53:38 AM PDT by victim soul
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

Bingo!


20 posted on 05/05/2009 11:55:26 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: OldNavyVet

A tough call? Are you kidding me? How can a Christian go around and collect Bibles for destruction?


21 posted on 05/05/2009 11:57:14 AM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: DogBarkTree

You got a point there....However, it would not surprise me, which is sad!
Remember, how these nutjob’s in Washington did not want prayer’s at a Military funeral or chaplins to read or talk about GOD?


22 posted on 05/05/2009 11:59:35 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

General Order 1 specifically forbids proselytizing of any kind.

Agreed, don’t disobey lawful orders and come back as civilian missionaries if you feel that strongly about it.

SZ


23 posted on 05/05/2009 12:06:15 PM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt; All

My son was with Special Forces in Afgh. in 2006, I am sending him this post to get his feedback re mission danger. Also, has anyone heard anything about the rumor that Tillman was killed by his fellow soldiers because he was an athiest?


24 posted on 05/05/2009 12:10:23 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: mikelets456

“Admiral Mike Mullen, told a Pentagon briefing Monday that the military’s position is that it will never “push any specific religion.””

Christianity isn’t a religion. Keep preaching, guys.


25 posted on 05/05/2009 12:17:26 PM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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To: SZonian
Having a Bible in the in-country language is not proselytizing...proselytizing is proselytizing
26 posted on 05/05/2009 12:17:34 PM PDT by tophat9000 ( We are "O" so f---ed)
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To: markomalley

Thanks for the ping!


27 posted on 05/05/2009 12:18:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

“How can a Christian go around and collect Bibles for destruction?”

Christian Chaplains must obey orders from superior officers.


28 posted on 05/05/2009 12:31:52 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: tophat9000; All

Being a Christian in Afghanistan is not an offense. However, converting from Islam to Christianity is an offense, and probably a capital one. Wasn’t there a case recently where a converted Muslim in Afgh. was to be executed and there was a big diplomatic flap? The soldiers with the Dari and Pashto bibles may not have been proselytizing, but it defies belief to think they did not plan to distribute them. This war is hard enough without having to worry about defending potential martyrs.


29 posted on 05/05/2009 12:32:00 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: RoadTest

“Christianity isn’t a religion.”

What then, is Christianlty?


30 posted on 05/05/2009 12:33:47 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: mikelets456

Bush was in denial in terms of characterizing the enemy, at least in public. Hence ‘War on Terror’.

The war is against militant Islamic fascism, but waging war against a religion didn’t seem like a good idea. Waging war against a tactic, however, did. Terror is a tactic, not an enemy force or philosophy.

War is about exhausting an enemy’s will to fight, which means attacking the philosophy at some point. Bush didn’t want to go there. Now you have a Muslim in as CinC. The US just went from being a philosophical opponent of Islamic fascism to being a faction.

The evidence is in how the pirate situation was handled. He wasn’t about to kill the pirates, not as long as they were Muslim. The decision to kill the pirates was made by the on-scene commander.

As to what’s going on in Pakistan and Afghanistan, Obama now represents the head of a moderate Islamic faction. I don’t think he has an idea of how he’s going to mitigate the threat, but I think he believes that as an adherent, he has credibility that no other guy would have.

As for his personal take on religion, I think he believes he’s god, or a god. I don’t think he buys into the mumbo-jumbo of religion. He’s never really needed it, and he’s been successful manipulating people who do believe in it.

This is probably a generous position to take on all of this. The less generous one is that he’s a Manchurian Candidate, and believes that the US has had its day as an imperial state. He may believe that Islamic imperialism is somehow more benign or honest somehow.

His personal wealth, he believes, was come by honestly. He didn’t indenture poorly paid employees to get it - he wrote books. His wealth manifested by the power of his ideas. It’s why his wife can wear $240 shoes, but he can ask bondholders at Chrysler and GM to suck it while handing the company over to the slaves on the assembly line.

He may think he’s re-enacting Amistad, where the slaves kill all the white people and toss them overboard. The slaves are the wage earners, and the slaveholders are the investors. I don’t think its about race, but economics. This is his way of redistributing the wealth. We’ve tried running companies with boards and CEO’s, why not try running it with the average line supervisor in charge, or a union president?

Only Nixon could go to China, right? Only a Muslim Socialist can fix poverty and end the disagreements and miscommunication we have with the world’s dominant religion. This is what he means by change. He doesn’t hate the US, he believes he hates what it has become, and so do a lot of people in Hollywood. I might add that every actor in Hollywood with any success and wealth sees themselves as having come by it honestly as well.


31 posted on 05/05/2009 12:34:54 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: OldNavyVet; All

You’d think a Christian would obey orders from his superior....Jesus Christ...and wouldn’t have any part in destroying Bibles because an Islamic Propaganda Network shows a clip of U.S. soldiers practicing their faith!


32 posted on 05/05/2009 12:37:12 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: OldNavyVet

““Christianity isn’t a religion.”

What then, is Christianlty?”

It’s the Way of Life that God described in His Word, to those who want to be in tune with Him and his universe. Those who adopt it experience peace and joy, as well as guidance through the dark places. I don’t mean membership in a local church - I mean membership in the Body of Christ, achieved by accepting Him at face value and wholeheartedly, without reservations or conditions.

It starts with turning one’s self and life over to the Creator who paid for our sins with His blood, and letting Him do the rest.

It does not include rituals, rites, formulas or creeds. It has no bricks or steeples. It takes no money. It’s free, but it’s priceless, like the life that bought it. The entrance can be found in His word, The Holy Bible.


33 posted on 05/05/2009 12:49:31 PM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt
If they want to come back to the area as missionaries when they are out of the army, then good for them.

Completely agree with your position. They are on duty 24 hours a day as soldiers of the United States and Christian missionary work is not part of their mission statement. The military religious work is the province of the chaplins, especially in a sensitive location like Afghanistan.

As for coming back as missionaries, good luck with that. Afghanistan is a Muslim country and (with some exceptions) bases its laws on the Sharia. Christian proselytizing is definitely against Afghan law and a Muslim who converts is an apostate and is literally risking his life to do so.

34 posted on 05/05/2009 1:06:23 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: MWS

Whatever it takes to kiss Muslim ASS.


35 posted on 05/05/2009 1:13:32 PM PDT by Levante
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To: mikelets456

Well, I bet anything the Muslims that are US Military would not hesitate to try onverting anyone they could to be Muslim.

Somehow I doubt that the US military will tear up Korans, though.


36 posted on 05/05/2009 1:56:15 PM PDT by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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To: mikelets456

It’s okay to kill ‘em, but not convert ‘em.


37 posted on 05/05/2009 2:48:14 PM PDT by TexasRepublic
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To: tophat9000

I know, but commanders in theatre have GREAT latitude in how they interpret G.O.1 and can add what they feel appropriate.

Without knowing what was amended to G.O.1(or if it was) I don’t really have the facts to make a conclusion, that’s why I only posted what I did right out of G.O.1. Tried to stay generic.

I do know that while in Saudi in 90-91 we were not to have scriptures, scripture study or religious services. The services were called “morale meetings” to screen their real purpose. Folks turned a blind eye to those who did have scriptures and attended the meetings though, it wasn’t that big of a secret. We had Chaplains there who couldn’t wear their insignia.

Without having more info. it’s nigh on impossible to draw a reasonable conclusion about what happened. I’m not saying it’s right, only positing the facts as I know them based on the info in the article.

Regards,
SZ


38 posted on 05/05/2009 2:52:18 PM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: tophat9000

Another thread here with more info.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2244819/posts

SZ


39 posted on 05/05/2009 2:57:01 PM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: mikelets456

they could have shipped them back to the states to where they came from. No reason to destroy. Its interesting that U.S. troops were involved destroying them. I guess i’m not surprised thesed days.


40 posted on 05/20/2009 1:26:41 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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