Posted on 05/09/2009 4:27:54 PM PDT by neverdem
Rep. Vinson was a good man. You’d think this would be more obvious, but it isn’t completely obvious to conservatives.
Good post.
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Would somebody, please, post the chronology of gun registration in NYC?
I don't remember the details, but it started with a minimal fee, and was supposed to help police track the source of recovered crime weapons.
The fees were later raised to provide revenue, and discourage gun ownership.
Eventually, when the politicians decided to ban certain guns (like "assault weapons") they reqired that the weapons be turned-in or removed from the city. They knew where the guns were, and went looking for them.
I'd like the chronology of this----when it started, when it progressed, how the fees increased, what guns were banned.
This is what is coming to the rest of the country.
Gun owners must understand that registration will lead to confiscation.
Gun registration is not just wrong, but it should actually make us question the underlying assumptions about other forms of registration and licensing as well.
While this is not often done, it makes particular sense to those opposed to gun registration. If not at first, then perhaps after you think about it.
Why do citizens need to be licensed to drive a registered automobile?
Most people automatically assume “public safety”, but that may not actually be the case.
The State of Florida recently reached a quandary. Almost half a million Florida drivers drive without a valid driver’s license. So many, in fact, that the State police have given up worrying about it. They are far more concerned with stopping bad drivers than worrying about a piece of paper.
That is, there doesn’t seem to be any relationship between licenses and driving ability.
Most people then say, “But what about using a driver’s license as a form of ID?” Well, that’s not the purpose of a driver’s license, but it is how they are used, most of the time. But that is the purpose of a State ID card.
A State ID card, as well as a driver’s license, that can be used as a National ID card, has long be a dream of authoritarian government officials and lazy bureaucrats. And even many of the States have figured out that *that* is an awful idea, and want no part of it for their citizens.
Only when we start questioning assumptions like these, do we start to see the real fallacies behind gun registration and licensing. If gun registration serves no valid purpose, and it doesn’t, than to heck with it. And if gun licensing serves no valid purpose either, and it doesn’t, than to heck with it as well.
Because, the argument is the same for gun licensing as it is for driver’s licensing: “public safety”. And in either case, if unexamined, it seems reasonable enough on the surface.
Gun owners must understand that registration will lead to confiscation.
Deserves repeating.
Not after Heller. The Ninth Circuit incorporated the Second Amendment in the Nordyke Decision as an individual right. This will be seen by the Supreme Court next session, IIRC. You don't pay for a right. These laws are going the way of the poll tax.
Life After Heller - More lawyers, more guns, some nunchuks, and the 14th Amendment
The chronolgy started in NYC in the 1960s. I never paid attention to this unConstitutional crap.
Once you start infringing on a right without due process you might as well kiss that right goodbye, because it no longer has anything like a firm foundation.
America -- a great idea, didn't last.
Been repeated, and ignored, so long the frog is now quite boiled.
It happened in the UK.
Will it happen here?
Will Obama sacrifice some ACORN employees to make it happen?
It’s either Bubba or ‘Bama.
Not at all Paranoid to think that Registration precedes Confiscation.
In California. SKS registration then Confiscation.
WWII. In Norway. Registration by Norwegians then Confiscation by the Nazis.
Even in the Movie “RED DAWN” The order was given to go to all of the sporting goods stores and get the BATF Forms # 4473,
So they would know where to find the Guns.
I know. I lived in western New York until 1977.
The progression in NYC was a classic example of the frog in the pot. I'm trying to pin down the timetable of the repression, sort of like a Time vs. Temperature plot for the frog.
I'll try the NRA for a timetable of NYC gun laws.
NY gun laws started in the 30’.
I understand that the powers that controlled NYC politics wanted gun controls to keep weapons out of the hands of all those low class, no account foreigners who were immigrating to the US and then it just sort of got out of hand.
I hold to the opinions that 1) too many of our gun rights has already been eroded and 2) registration has and will always be a Trojan horse leading to confiscation.
Too many crafty politicians and stupid citizens are too LAZY to read those famous last words SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!
Thanks for the compliment.
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