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5/10/09 | Ron C

Posted on 05/10/2009 1:08:11 AM PDT by Ron C.

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To: NoPrisoners

Since the Declaration of Independence makes it clear (it’s self-evident truth according to the founders), that the very purpose of government is to equally protect the God-given unalienable right to life of all, and since the Constitution of the United States, in its opening statement of purpose otherwise known as the Preamble, states as its crowning purpose “to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves AND OUR POSTERITY,” and because the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments to that Constitution protect the natural right to life of all PERSONS, and because every single officer of government in this country, at every level of governance, takes an oath to protect and defend that document and those principles, the only path to ending the daily bloodbath is clear and simple: only support and elect those candidates who understand the basis of our liberty and our form of republican self-government, and who will uphold their oaths taken before God and man. Everybody else needs to be sent home.

By the way, that’s the basis for America’s Independent Party, our Platform, and our Personal Affiliation Agreement which every individual who wants to participate in setting our platform, electing our party’s leaders, and in selecting our candidates, has to sign. As per the First Amendment they can disaffiliate at any time, for any reason or no reason. The party can disaffiliate them if it chooses to as well, if its members think the individual is not living up to our core non-negotiable principles.

The right of free political association is a wonderful thing.


301 posted on 05/12/2009 12:50:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (As fruit of principled action incrementalism is God's Hand. As strategy, it's the devil's playground)
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To: WOSG
The Republicans are much closer,... to an ideological split ... therefore a third party will hand the Democrats even more complete control than they have now.” CORRECT.

Sorry to be a stopped clock for you!

We have painted ourselves into quite a constitutional corner. The GOP might make a comeback for the bi-election of 2010, but the fundamental problem of the anti-constitutional shift to total federalism will continue unless we battle for local control (A) and (b) at least a re-appraisal of the 17h Amendment. Unless voting for state legislators once again becomes meaningful and gives us a chance in the Senate, were doomed.

The non-elected Federal government from the CIA to the Department of Agriculture is a Democrat fiefdom from top to bottom ... it is only the states, with conservative republican government in local control that can control this by cutting off the money.

The big states with their increasingly dominant and very expensive-to-maintain minority and Third World populations are going to be socialists ... the other states have to figure out how to stop paying their bills.

302 posted on 05/12/2009 3:44:00 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance
If John McCain is pro-life I’m the Queen of England. He’s a wicked, godless, arrogant enemy of conservatism, and his nomination by the Republican Party is one of the most shameful political episodes ever. Don’t lecture me about not supporting that snake. You don’t own my vote, and you don’t have a franchise on my political support or anyone else’s.

John McCain's biggest problem is that he has inspired those feelings ... making millions of Americans who previously might have held their noses long enough to keep the Kenyan Kommunist out of office so disgusted, that they felt justified in witholding their vote.

4 million people who held their noses for Bush, simply could not hold their breath any longer ... their absence, + ACORN ... and we got The Magic Marxist Mulatto ... whatisname? ... Odinga's cousin..

303 posted on 05/12/2009 3:51:57 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I’m not going to dispute that some people who identify themselves as “independent” (from the two parties) are conservaties. But others who do so are communists. The great portion of those who do so, however, are simply too dumb to know what they are.


304 posted on 05/12/2009 6:35:12 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Kenny Bunk

The fact that talk radio operates as a successful business model does not mean ANYTHING in the context of its value. The Conscience of a Conservative by Barry Goldwater turned a profit. Would you rule out everything Goldwater wrote in that book because it sold well? It’s a goofy argument that actually encompasses some liberal dementia, the leftie conspiracist notion that “profit” automatically usurps legitimacy.

Talk radio has a vital place in the broad effort to move America back to the center-right position its citizenry largely reflects. As for you disagreeing with Limbaugh about illegal aliens, so be it. When you find a candidate or voice you agree with 100 percent of the time you will have thrown your own hat into the ring—until then...


305 posted on 05/12/2009 6:43:33 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: PaleoBob

We’ve set out to change that. Our premise is in George Washington’s stern warning in his Farewell Address about the dangers of party factionalism.

It doesn’t take a genius to see what the “party first” mentality is doing to our country. You can see some of it right here on this thread.

It’s time for Christians and conservatives to change their mindset. It’s time to coalesce around unchanging principles, not meaningless party labels. That’s the only hope for our free republic.


306 posted on 05/12/2009 6:54:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (As fruit of principled action incrementalism is God's Hand. As strategy, it's the devil's playground)
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To: PaleoBob
“profit” automatically usurps legitimacy.

No. All I am saying is that it is not Rush Limbaugh's job to change anyone's mind, and in fact he usually doesn't. Rush Limbaugh's job is to sell radio advertising time. He does that better than anyone working in the industry in this country.

Talk radio has a vital place in the broad effort to move America back to the center-right position its citizenry largely reflects.

Talk radio will not move anyone from one position to another. I grant that it has value ...even significant value ... in energizing its dedicated audience by validating their beliefs.

This is an unprovable point from either side of the discussion, however, as it seems to me that Conservative Talk Radio was utterly unable to get the people needed to beat back Obama to even get off the couch and vote.

Not one talk radio host took and ran with the (to me) shocking story of Obama' and Dick Morris' raising $2 million for Raile Odinga, and then campaigning, right along side the church-burning Muslim SOB, in Kenya. Not only was this a violation of the Logan Act, but when Odinga lost, Christians were burned alive, hundreds of thousands displaced, and Odinga threatened all-out civil war. He was backed up 100% by Obama, who politicked ferociously to have him given the post of Prime Minister.

Where were these conservative talkers; these paragons of constitutional government when this was going on? Well, they were doing their jobs, which is selling radio time to advertisers who want to reach their audience. Have you not noticed that very little political advertising runs on these shows? That's because if they are Republican, the political advertisers know they already have that audience. If the advertisers are democrats, they know they have no chance of convincing anyone and ought to save their money!

As for you disagreeing with Limbaugh about illegal aliens, so be it ...

When Rush was pushing illegal immigration as the "sign of a healthy economy, " he was doing his job. Selling radio time to the major corporations who wanted to reach his audience and who needed cheap labor and to keep more expensive labor quiet about it.

There is not a damn thing wrong with radio talkers selling radio time. What is wrong is the confusion amongst their fans. Yes it validates their closest held beliefs, and usually mine, but it has absolutely nothing to do with changing the minds of those who are outside the demo- and psychographics of the audience they already have.

The very good news is that for Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck, that audience is growing rapidly; albeit largely within the demo and psychographic parameters already established. I.E., more people of a similar kind are listening. I am watching this very closely ... for my business.

In short, if radio talkers, whom I happen to admire, wanted to show me something, they would stop ranting on about global concerns and concentrate on getting conservatives into office in local contests. And so far, not one of them .... nary a one ... has picked up on the need to re-think the 17th Amendment. Not one ... despite hours of ranting about BIG GOVERNMENT ... has bothered to explain that the most crucial check and balance in our constitution is the one between Federal and state power.

thrown your own hat into the ring—until then...

I have run for and won local office. And, I have run and lost, too. So I have put my (and others') money where my mouth is. But I think you expect too much of talk radio conservatives whose primary purpose is to build an audience and sell what they say to advertisers. By all means, take all the good we can out of their efforts, just take it with a grain of salt.

307 posted on 05/12/2009 10:44:21 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“You supported worse ... Obama.”
“Juvenile.”

Yes, your counterproductive actions helped elect Obama, the Juvenile.

No adherence to principle there.


308 posted on 05/12/2009 12:59:00 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Well, with the inevitable coming of a new (un)Fairness Doctrine, you’ll probably get your wish where conservative talk radio is concerned.


309 posted on 05/12/2009 6:05:02 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Ron C.

My good friend, pat Farrell, of North Olmsted, Ohio just lost the primary for Law director of his city by only 700 votes and the GOP locally was totally unable to help him in the most simple of ways ( how to send out postcards cheaply and never went through with ‘emailing all our people” promise.) and just had a “don’t care about you attitude from the get go!

Good luck GOP with all your big arguments about what conservatism is...if you can’t give information and support to a local...AND if you can’t deal with voter fraud!


310 posted on 05/12/2009 6:11:46 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (It's time for the grown ups !)
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To: PaleoBob
Bob, sit back, tune in your favorite yakker, and knock yourself out. Nobody's going to take him off the air. That's a fake issue and a distraction.

Just realize that the heavy lifting in the reconquest that may come will not be done by entertainers.

311 posted on 05/12/2009 8:33:13 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: Ron C.

I do not believe we can leave the future of our country in the hands of any “party,” GOP included. (I am conservative first, Republican second, so this is not an anti-GOP rant.) Instead, we need to make basic changes to our laws so that every party will have to go by the same rules. For instance, no more of this “my idea of Utopia is better than my opponent’s idea of Utopia, so vote for me!” That is what is driving us to bankruptcy and what will be the ruination of the United States of America.

That is what “Push Back Until!” (http://pushbackuntil.com) addresses and embodies. If our country is worth the fight, then we need to fight in the manner described there. So if you are up for the battle, plan on being in D.C. several times a year for the next 5-10 years.


312 posted on 05/16/2009 3:56:17 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: j.simmons

I’ve been following your post since you so recently joined. You’re mighty haughty for a newby.


313 posted on 05/18/2009 8:42:02 AM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: Mamzelle

I bet you wouldn’t feel that way if you actually agreed with my posts.


314 posted on 05/18/2009 9:44:01 AM PDT by j.simmons (If you are not with the GOP, you are with the Democrats.)
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To: Ron C.

sfl


315 posted on 06/21/2010 6:30:31 AM PDT by phockthis
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