Skip to comments.For Conservatives who seriously want to kick some RINO butt...
Posted on 05/10/2009 1:08:11 AM PDT by Ron C.
Warning this is a long and windy post not recommended for the semi-conservative or casual reader.
Lately Ive ran across many a post and comment on FR that made me decide to again post about politics - for the sake of many of the newer Freepers and for this nations sake. This post by Jim Robinson is corollary to what follows. Read it Jim defines what I call a complete conservative.
Now, the first item of business - the definition of the 'Republican Party,' a.k.a., the GOP. A few members of Congress, a couple of state governors and a few past candidates for high office generally prompt the greatest amount of disparagement of the GOP on this website. Their voting screw-ups and lackluster comments are often used to denigrate 'the GOP' in general and often followed by statements such as, "Screw the GOP, Ill never vote Republican again." That insults many, and proves that writers know little to nothing about party maintenance, or have any clue as their own responsibility for it. Yet, it is literally the voting public at large that determines what a political party becomes its strengths and its weaknesses are a direct result of the level of public oversight and involvement in all aspects of party function and activity at the local level. Ignore that, and you get ever-poorer performance at the top on par with the poorer performance of the citizenry in general at the bottom (local level.)
First - what the GOP is not. It is not defined by, nor do sitting members of Congress solely constitute the GOP yet that is the most common perception. Nor is the RNC, with a mere 165 members 'the GOP.' (All of them count in the national total, yet they are a distinct minority, very much outnumbered and at the eventual certain mercy of the total. Oh, sure they are a powerful minority but ultimately irrelevant in the face of the majority.)
"The party," - all political parties are made up solely of elected and appointed members within each State of the Union, along with a few chartered party club members which are by charter are allowed to join the party, pay dues, and allowed to vote in state and local party business. In California, the most populous state, there are only about 3,000 dues-paying party members qualified to vote in party business meetings and in State Party Conventions. The huge majority of GOP members in every state are elected district party representatives in local district 'central committees' aka, 'wards' in eastern states. Of course, any elected state GOP officeholder is a member, as are any alternates or those they are allowed to appoint as members of the state party. In smaller States, the number is much less. An average per state would be perhaps 1,000 party members in the more numerous smaller states.
There is no published figure of what the 'total GOP party members nationally' is, nor is there such a figure for the 'Democratic' Party. The entirety of the GOP is not more than 62,000 members nationally.
So, lump all the RINOs you can think of that currently serve in state and national government together, and add up the figure. Lets say you know a lot of RINOs in Congress, and in State legislatures and you can come up with as many as 100 of them. That would be .19% of total GOP membership hardly representative of the huge majority at the local level, most of them quite conservative.
The second item of business here is wrapped up in what it means to be 'conservative.' Youll not find a better definition of it than what Jim Robinson had to say in that link above. But I would go quite a bit further than Jim did particularly in using that word 'aggressively.'
If you are under attack and faltering, and the GOP is and if you really want to aggressively alter the makeup of the GOP you become part of it. I did, and I have made a big difference (admittedly in the somewhat past) by being a key force in routing RINOs from State party leadership positions in droves. If you are really conservative, you join the war where it counts. Either true conservatives help keep the party conservative or you fail the final test of conservatism itself. That failure became ever greater after Ronald Reagan was elected to the point that today less than .01 percent of GOP affiliated voters ever darken the doors of GOP meetings in their own neighborhood and many that do are not conservative. That low number is a measure of the knowledge of the pubic in general, and of Conservatism wisdom in particular. Yet that door is THE most critical place where conservatives can help ensure the level of conservatism within the party. It seemed that once Reagan was in office, conservatives felt that their presence in the system was no longer needed. Also distressing has been the steep decline in the number of the 'faithful' which should understand being 'watchmen on the wall' far better than those without wisdom. Sadly, today the level of Church involvement has declined to its lowest point in US history yet, in stark comparison, during the Founding Era ministers were literally among those at the forefront of political activity.
Third - one thing needs to be understood clearly. Conservatives are extremely unlikely to ever prosper outside of the Republican Party. They must either fight to keep it pure (that is, socialism / socialist free) at the local level or haul up the white flag of surrender. Third parties have done nothing to prosper conservatism, throughout this nations history. In fact, the few that have claimed conservatism (and largely arent) have repeatedly succeeded in doing nothing more than electing Democrats in the districts where third party candidates drew 1 to 2% of the vote the margin by which the Democrat won. When any do gain office, they generally prove far less than conservative.
In fact the largest 'third party' vote ever recorded in US history was that of the 'Progressive Party' under Theodore Roosevelt, which drew 27.4% of the vote. But, note well - in the early 1900s Democrats were the conservatives, while Republicans were the first to drift off into progressive socialist politics. Unfortunately for us today, early 1900s 'progressive' Republicans radically altered our political process, by co-opting political power to the top of the political ladder from the local level where it had resided for over 130 years. That single action helped send the party into the wilderness for near 50 years, and while it was there Democrats turned socialist and the Republican Party slowly became conservative.
Ultimately the degree of conservative success rests with conservatives themselves. And, if youre like me youre a working stiff with a job somewhere or youre working your buns off keeping a home together, caring for your family. You dont have a lot of time or a lot of money to sink into political activities, so if youre going to do anything you need to know how to be most effective with what little time you have. And believe me, you can be very effective, if you know what to do and that is, walk into the real political arena nearest to you at the local level, and figuratively, put on your political brass knuckles.
It is probably less than twenty minutes away from the front door of most Freepers. And, quite likely, you can gain a voting seat (without election) simply by showing up once or twice a month. (That is, if the local district committee is a few people shy of their allotted number of seats filled.) But, even if all the seats are filled, they all need alternates to sit in for them when they cannot attend for some reason. So take a friend or family member with you. It is worth noting here that quite often only one or two people will actually go to the trouble of getting the few signatures that it takes to get on the ballot for the Central Committee in a California district. When that happens, they are elected by default. The position and their names dont even appear on the ballot! Then, THEY get to appoint the remaining people to bring the district committee to its allotted number. That is a stark difference from public oversight or 'conservative' attention to what makes up the party they choose to affiliate with. It is such apathy and indifference that has produced the squishy nature of the GOP in the largest and most populous states, and has led to ever greater pollution in even the most conservative states.
For over two decades, I voted many times per month at the local district level, and at the county level. And, as a dues paying elected or appointed member of the state GOP, I voted often at all state conventions. I worked hard to purge liberals from any power in the state party, and I became highly effective at it. Ask RINO Pete Wilson how effective I have been. Ask Arianna Huffington, and her millionaire switch-hitting ex-husband Michael (with a very obvious case of aids) who both came lurking around the CA GOP, claiming that they were staunch Republicans. (Luckily, I knew about Ariannas deranged past long before she came in the door thanks to early use of the then brand new Internet.) Neither one got far, and both eventually left the GOP after being exposed for what they both were.
Bottom line, if Freepers really hope to see a GOP that harks back to conservative principles, and want to aggressively pursue such a goal - the only process that is effective begins at the most numerous level of the elected party a few minutes away from your home. If we cannot be guardians at these most important gates to the political arena forget about it at the state and national level. It is within this arena that conservatives can effectively block RINOs from moving higher up the political ladder by identifying them through personal contact, listening to their conversation, finding out what they believe and would like to see come to pass in future legislation. It is in this arena that you can identify the best and help promote them toward higher office and easily stop the worst of the worst.
The Reagan Revolution was initially energized by thousands of conservatives that had begun with Barry Goldwater a few years prior. In those days, back-yard political gatherings attracted literally thousands of local teens and college youth and their parents all of whom provided an energy level beyond any seen prior or since.
Conservatives could easily make that all happen once again if enough of them decide they really want to become aggressive at making a political difference. Absent such an effort conservatives will have only themselves, and their personal lack of effort to blame. Samuel Landon, one of our Founding Fathers, said it best. "On the people, therefore, of these United-States it depends whether wise men, or fools, good or bad men, shall govern them; whether they shall have righteous laws, a faithful administration of government, and permanent good order, peace, and liberty; or, on the contrary, feel insupportable burdens, and see all their affairs run to confusion and ruin."
Samuel Langdon is also quite famous for the following quote, from the same sermon. (spelling here is as in the original.)
"From year to year be careful in the choice of your representatives, and all the higher powers of government. Fix your eyes upon men of good understanding, and known honesty; men of knowledge, improved by experience; men who fear God, and hate covetousness; who love truth and righteousness, and sincerely wish the public welfare. Beware of such as are cunning rather than wise; who prefer their own interest to every thing; whose judgment is partial, or fickle; and whom you would not willingly trust with your own private interests. When meetings are called for the choice of your rulers, do not carelessly neglect them, or give your votes with indifference, just as any party may persuade, or a sordid treat tempt you; but act with serious deliberation and judgment, as in a most important matter, and let the faithful of the land serve you. Let not men openly irreligious and immoral become your legislators; for how can you expect good laws to be made by men who have no fear of God before their eyes, and who boldly trample on the authority of his commands? And will not the example of their impiety and immorality defeat the efficacy of the best laws which can be made in favour of religion and virtue? If the legislative body are corrupt, you will soon have bad men for counsellors, corrupt judges, unqualified justices, and officers in every department who will dishonor their stations; the consequence of which will be murmurs and complaints from every quarter."
Sorry my rant is so long - but, unfortunately in some ways it is not nearly long enough. For those that have never really entered the political arena, there is a world of things you should know, and will have to learn on your own, and from others that have gone before you. I can not say it more bluntly than this - if you do not go, learn, and fight - then who will?
May God bless you...
Thanks for the post Ron C. I look forward to reading it.
~grin~ - yeah, I know... you have to have the time... 8^)
Use your ping list - and point some of the ‘regulars’ here - that need to know what they perhaps don’t know, or know a bit, but perhaps believe they have no power to change anything.
Marked for a later read, it looks like it could be very good... already took my sleeping pill........ fading ........ feeling light headed..... kinda funny.... kinda drunk.... slipping... drifting... fuzzy head.... I’m gone...... zzzzzzzzzz ZZZZZZZZZZ
The US Constitution is in many ways shorter, and far more to the point.
Please do not invoke Jims good name upon that which would take longer to read. I skimed it to be sure, absolute snozze fest.
Ron C. fire us up, or tell us something that we don’t already know. and be concise and short about it.
I'd say there were equal numbers in both parties. But the Dems were actively trying to purge Conservatives as long ago as the 1890s, under Socialists like IL Gov. John Altgeld (probably the most radical Governor in that state's history - and so far to the left that the ostensible "Progressive" Theodore Roosevelt lambasted him from the right, effectively calling him a Parisian Communist) and their attempt to take over the party with William Jennings Bryan. They wanted to make sure Grover Cleveland types never would become President again under the Dem banner. None ever did.
Well reasoned. The GOP is the best available vehicle for conservative political activism. Whining and carping from the sidelines gains nothing.
It only takes a spark to get a fire going!
Amen Brother. Someone needs to get Glenn "the Clown" Beck to understand that.
Hes trying his hardest to use Fox News to start up a new Libertarian push.
At first I was enjoying watching him but his constant harping on how republicans are bad and just as bad as the left has done my head in now.
Then he had that nut on some time ago from 20/20 who thnks that we should eat bears and their numbers will go up.
Then he has another nut from Vegas on somettimes who is just as bad
I believe these problems have their roots within the very concept of Conservatism. Among the definitions of a "conservative" are being cautious, avoiding excess, and resisting change.
All of these are positive qualities if not taken to a ridiculous extreme, however the Left has effectively demonized those of us who are disinclined to change how things work if there is no good reason for doing so. The axiom "If it works, don't fix it" is an appropriate saying for true Conservatives.
Admiral Yamamoto quite correctly predicted after the attack on Pearl Harbor that, "...all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve". Conservatives seem to be very slow to take action, but once they do, they tend to follow through until the objective is achieved.
Warnings were apparent before the attack on Pearl Harbor, just as we were aware that the World Trade Center was a prime target for terrorists.
The key question we must ask ourselves relative to these historical attacks is "why didn't we do something about it beforehand?" Again, remember what key trait defines Conservatism - we tend not to change unless there is good cause, and this cautious nature lends itself easily to a rejection of perceived alarmism.
We had numerous warnings before the election, yet Conservatives were ill-prepared to counter Obama supporters. Those of us who did take a vocal and active stand against his radical socialism were labeled as unenlightened Extremists.
History repeats itself, and eventually Conservatives will stand together in defiance of these attacks on our Liberties, but I fear it may take far too much time for a "sleeping giant" reaction. Ron C. is absolutely correct in that we MUST take action now at the local level to effect change that is necessary. We see it, and we know our liberties are systematically being removed. As repugnant as it may seem to us, we all must adopt tactics from the Left in order to save our nation.
Grassroots efforts such as involvement in local politics is how the liberals began this current assault. We must do the same and not look towards any one individual to save our freedoms.
There it is in a nutshell. We are not interested in an actual strategy and actual directions on how to work towards a goal. No, we do not want to go to meetings. We do not want to do actual work. We want to be fired up.
Then we can sit here at our keyboards and smolder. Perhaps, on really good days, we may begin to smoke a little and sometimes even begin to glow.
But work? That's crazy talk.
Let's all have a huge pity-party. Whine & moan about how the Republican party has betrayed us all you want, but remember one thing:
WE ELECTED THESE TURKEYS!
Don't like where the country is headed? Then get off yer duff!!!
Just as sure as there is no god, conservatives will never unite under one banner again.
And you would think all the wind found on Free Republic would produce a Santa Barbara wildfire across the nation. Who is putting it out?
Glenn “the Clown” Beck doesn’t really have a clue about politics, he is a bit of a latter day Huey Long. His real value is that he gets under the bonnett of both sides, especially the Olberdorf, Madcow, Bill O’ & Hannity bloviators.
If you look at party indentification of voters, self declared ‘Republicans’ have been dropping like stone for several years.
I fear the “GOP” brand is damaged in the eyes of voters and citizens do not want to self-indentify with it.
Moderates: Moderate Republicans are now more socially/fiscally liberal. Identify and voted for Obama. “Lets give him a chance.” “Reaganism is dead”. “Lets open the borders”.
Conservatives: Conservative Republicans are socially/fiscally conservative and can not tolerate what the GOP leadership has done to the Republican party of the past several years and do not identify as Republicans anymore but ‘independents’.
1) Conservatives must kick liberal/moderate Republican leadership OUT of the party. The race to out Democrat - Democrats simply does not work and never will. Being moderate means never taking a stand on any issue lest you offend someone. That is not leadership.
2) Set in writing a core set of party principles similar to wildly effective and long forgotten by our leadership “Contract with America”.
3) Don’t tolerate RINO’s in the party leadership because you see where that gets you ‘Spector, Snowe, Jeffords, etc).
News and Activism?
It has always amazed me that the “Conservative” talking pundits of the airwaves have never mentioned this. If 0.01%of the energy wasted by listening to talk radio went into committee work with their opinions, it would make a far greater difference to the country than listening to pundits preaching to the choir.
After reading some of the posts on this thread, the logic of some is that the GOP cannot be made into a conservative vehicle because some are against us.
But we should believe that by creating a third party, nobody will be against us.....ignoring the fact that the remnants of the OP and Dems would crush that third party jointly.
Just because a person understands and loves conservatism does not always mean they have a brain that is useful for politics.
Some people are just meant to vote while others are meant to lead.
Sure it may not win, but it will send a clear message to the Beltway GOP elitists that neither will they without the Conservative base. That message will be: Join or Die!
If the majority of voters aren't fed up with Obama and DNC-flavored socialism by 2010 and 2012, the republic as we knew it may be at an end anyway.
Oohhhh, I get it. It's our fault! How could I have been so blind?
So, when here in Missouri we have a bona-fide conservative upstart star run for the GOP's nomination for Governor and then the part establishment pours its support and money behind one of the establishment DC 'pubbies to insure that no change takes place -that's OUR fault, right? Or how's about when a conservative unseats a liberal republican senator in PA without a vote even being cast and then the establishment scrambles to find another establishment RINO to pour its support and money behind (thus punishing the guy who affected the positive change), is that OUR fault, too, right?
Here's the deal. If the GOP continues to squash the base as it has since Bush got elected, if it continues to moderate, move to the left, spend money it doesn't have, include and protect it's sorriest and least reliable members, then what do WE do? I swore I would never vote for McCain and I had to break that oath - only to end up losing bigger. I'm not going to do it again. If the party forces us to the left again, it will lose again - at least with me.
saving for later
Yeah and you think you can just apologize and it will all be okay? you can say what you like and as long as you want with no regard for our feeeelings? Like an apology is some kind of license to abuuuse us? What kind of monster ARE you???
Months after "Obama" reveals his FIRST name (1) he reveals the date he will detonate the bomb. (2)
(1) "Obama" reveals his FIRST name, October 2008
(2) Using the anti-bible format. But the question is: will his masters still have enough time to do it?
Our political system and our government are illegitimate. The GOP is controlled by the same elite political class that controls the Democrat party. . "Working within the system" is counterproductive. It diverts resources; it enables the ruling elites to co-opt the forces for change. Freedom will only come from non-violent revolution. Be prepared for the violence and hatred that the political elites will use to protect their hegemony.
Obama's election proves that most Americans value the illusion of comfort over the opportunity to achieve freedom. Don't drown yourself trying to rescue those who have chosen the illusion. They will grab you and try to make your drown along with them.
The question: How do we manage a non-violent revolution that restores freedom to those who are willing to sacrifice for it? The answer is not in the realm of politics.
Mainstream media, pop culture, and consumerism have replaced religion as the opiate of the masses. Freedom and comfort cannot co-exist. Comfort is an illusion, the snake oil that politicians sell, the price of which is your freedom.
You say you want freedom? Turn off your television. Stop buying things.
What Ron C. is saying is: Become the establishment!
I think we have seen too many conservatives become the establishment. Can we really afford to wait another 10-15 years while we push against the wind on a local level while the hurricane of DC blows us back into our "place". From this guy's blog, I take it he is a conservative activist in Kalifornia. That does not bode well for this message.
I do think conservatives need to get involved on a local level, but this guy assumes is that we aren't doing that.
I remember a Simpson's episode many years ago where Lisa conducted an experiment. She put together a maze and at the end of the maze, she wired a piece of cheese to an electrical source. Then, she introduced a rat who got through the maze, touched the cheese, got shocked, and did not touch the cheese again. Then, Lisa wired a cupcake to an electrical source and put it on top of a book shelf. Bart then commenced to electrocute himself over, and over, and over...
The real danger to conservatism and the country comes from the leftist Democrats, and not from RINOs or moderate Democrats. Focus on the real enemy!
The biggest problem, in a general sense (and on a macro level) is that conservatives tend to be : “keep the government out of our lives”. Working in the party is seen, subconsciously, as being part of a political scene that is, for the most part, distasteful.
Again, generally, liberals/democrats are far less worried about embarrassing themselves or being aggressive at the local level or even in the culture.
We have let them take over the Media, the schools and now the government....EVEN THOUGH they are no more than half the population (and really more like 30%) The 40% who are clueless or in the middle could be talked into electing Vince McMahon President (though even he would better than Obama).
I would also say a very overlooked aspect of defining the culture or the political perception is commenting on message boards, talking locally, or on radio or continuously making comments in non political places that redefine the perception.
Eventually the Dems portrayal of Bush, the war, neo-cons etc etc took hold. It took 5-6 years, but it worked.
The drip drip drip of referring to Obama as a socialist, a Neo-Com or Neo Socialist or the like, and coming up with a few catchy representations and repeating them over and over everywhere on the internet, even in comment sections of forums has an effect over time.
Not in a spam way, but in a response.
But until the base gets motivated enough to turn into activists, we are on a slow drift. Bottom line.
How many of us are? I'll bet a very small minority on FR attend meetings or run for/are a delegate in their state GOP. I'd love to be proved wrong, but I don't think I am or the GOP wouldn't be run by weak-kneed towers of jello.
Why is this in Breaking News?
Which is why we need to WORK! Hence this thread. You aren't seeing the forest for the trees. Welcome to FR.
I always enjoy your posts. You are an asset to FR.
I’ve been on FR since 2004, Elmer.
Enemy? We’re all Americans. Democrats (especially these days) are taking us down the the very wrong path but they still think they’re doing the right thing. Misguided and wrong but they’re still Americans.
2006 and 2008 were disasters for Republicans and Conservatives mostly because too many stayed home or voted third party. That gave us what we have today so how did it help?
Motivated conservatives can sway the mushy “independents” and “moderates.” That is what Reagan did. Last election the mushy middle bought the hopey-changey drivel. Couple that with all-or-nothing conservatives staying home or voting third party and here we are. That’s the FACT.
Why does your signup say 2008? And even if you were, does that give your opinion more weight.
Get over yourself.
Instead of just hovering your mouse on my screen name, try clicking it. And no, it doesn't give my opinion more weight. In fact, when folks bust out the "newbie" bit here on FR, it infuriates me because it assumes that the day people signed up here is the day they joined the fight.
Get over yourself.
Done. Years ago.
If one wants conservative government established, then one obviously needs many conservatives becoming the establishment.
What I meant by that is how the republicans became the "establishment" once they attained the majority in both houses. You know how conservatives go to DC and come home "moderates"?
I always thought my posts were kind of lame. I have touble writing down my thoughts. Much easier to speak what I'm thinking.
What I meant by that is how the republicans became the "establishment" once they attained the majority in both houses. You know how conservatives go to DC and come home "moderates"?
Of course that's what you meant, now why don't you address what the poster meant. More cosnervatives becoming part of "the establishment!" I would think means that more real conservatives should become part of the establishment and not just the phoney politicians who claim to be conservative.