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1 posted on 05/11/2009 7:49:21 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
Bush's real legacy, destroying the GOP.
2 posted on 05/11/2009 7:50:55 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: Reagan Man
We love to have someone to blame, but the bottom line is citizenship takes a little effort.

Watching the Daily Show ain't gonna cut it.

6 posted on 05/11/2009 8:03:55 AM PDT by lawnguy (The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil-Cicero)
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To: Reagan Man
IMO there is only one way to right the GOP. And that is for the Tea Party movement to evolve into a group that pursues the interests of the great American middle class, who has been largely silent, as the other interest groups took over the two parties.

Government workers and those on poverty assistance have the Dems. Wall Street and Hollywood support the Dems. The corporatist wing of the GOP looks after corporate interests at the expense of the interests of the middle class (ammnesty, H-1B visas, lack of regulation of financial markets and commodities exchanges). Both sides don't give a fig about our interests because we don't scare them, because most of the middle class doesn't pay attention to politics - and the hard-core liberals would like nothing better than our economic destruction so we have to move from the suburbs back to cities. So we have tolerated policies that are against our interests - and we now have been set up for the kill.

Two entities may well go extinct over the next 10 years - the GOP, or the middle class. If the middle class doesn't get its act together and function cohesively as a political entity, inflation from spending and printing money will kill it off, along with job losses. If the middle class DOES get its act together and the GOP ignores the middle class interests and instead continues to promote those of the corporatists, the GOP will die and be replaced with something else. But the GOP will continue to be beholden to the corporatist wing until the middle class rises up.

It's beyond the annoyance factor of the last 20 years of Clinton corruption and GOP spending that motivated us activists. It's now about the very survival of the middle class in America, because we are getting set up for an Argentian-style destruction of such due to past apathy. We have at most four years to halt it. And we have to start by articulating ideas that learn from the failings of the last few years - such as the fact that we do need some level of regulation of the financial sector - and show how growth in government has created a huge, voracious monster in government employees who expect to be paid better than the private sector that supports them. That IMO is the only limited government message that resonates.

So tell the Tea Party types to get onto school boards. Cut the bloated administrator layers that consume massive amounts of property taxes. Fight to get the state legislatures to cut state employees and overhead. And then turn on the federal behemoth by supporting candidates who adhere to shrinking the fedgov, not out of abstract principles, but in confronting the bugetary abyss that faces us.

7 posted on 05/11/2009 8:06:08 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Reagan Man
Republicans can’t -- in the short time between now and 2010 -- shake off the Bush brand entirely, but they can distance themselves from it. To do so, they have to defend what Bush did right and criticize openly what he did wrong.

Something that true FReeper conservatives have been doing all along, to the dismay of RINO"S, Bushbots and RNCbots, here and everywhere.

Republicans, go back to Reagan's big tent, don't pretend that he would come to yours.

8 posted on 05/11/2009 8:07:57 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (It's obvious from Nancy Pelosi's appearance that she tortures people every day.)
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To: Reagan Man; AuntB; SierraWasp; Jeff Head; Species8472
Conservatives remain skeptical because the group is burdened by some pols, such as John McCain, who aren’t part of the solution: they’re part of the problem. As laudable as Cantor’s effort may be, his idea doesn’t yet include divorcing Republicans from Bush’s mistakes. Republicans can’t -- in the short time between now and 2010 -- shake off the Bush brand entirely, but they can distance themselves from it. To do so, they have to defend what Bush did right and criticize openly what he did wrong.

Need to shake of any association of Bush as a conservative, the guy was a moderate.We need to get back to being conservatives, kill the RINO, and stay on target (only dems hold their finger up in the wind for a "clear and decisive direction"). Quit being sheeple and lemmings, and start acting like leaders. I don't care about pointing fingers at the libs and making sounds like in the movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". I want the republican party to lead, or get the hell out of the way for a third party.
9 posted on 05/11/2009 8:08:26 AM PDT by Issaquahking (Keep your change obummer, I STILL support Sarah!)
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To: Reagan Man
This is a great analysis of the Bush catastrophe.

Right on the mark.

NO MORE BUSHES!!

And NO MORE of those flawed policies of his or the "big TENT garbage!!!

And no more liberal tripe!

11 posted on 05/11/2009 8:10:26 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Reagan Man

I got a solicitation from the Republican National Committee.

I quote:

“Dear Friend,

Please don’t tell me you have given up...that you have abandoned the Republican Party....

But as Treasurer of the Republican National Committee, I’m concerned that we have not received your 2009 RNC membership renewal.

....But we have not heard from you since October 24, 2008 — and I hpoe you haven’t deserted our Party.

...The only thing standing in the way of the Obama/Pelosi/Reid Democrats’ fulfilling their reckless spending, record deficits and higher taxes agenda are you and the RNC.

....urgently need you to renew....with a contribution...”

the above paragraph should have read:

“The only thing standing in the way of the BUSH43/Obama/Pelosi/Reid Democrats’and Republicans’ fulfilling their reckless spending, record deficits and higher taxes agenda are you and the (we need a new) Party.”

I just don’t know where to begin. Bush 43 got some things right. But fiscal responsibility and limited government were not part of his program. Nor the Republican Party.

Now the assault on Sarah Palin from the Republican Party is the end for me. I cannot forgive this.

Republicans are moving toward DEATH and TAXES and GOVERNMENT. We must understand that.

Libertarians seemed too kookie but maybe that’s all we have.

Is there any other way?


12 posted on 05/11/2009 8:15:59 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: Reagan Man

These should be easy times for the GOP and conservatives with this target rich environment. Our side should be pounding away at the libtards mnarch to socialism but every time the right question is teed up for them they give a political answer. Two examples: O’Reilly flat out asked Bush’s former directer of communications if she felt safe under Obama and she thought for a couple of seconds and answered “yes...so far”

O’Reilly asked a republican representative (I can’t Remember his name)if Pelosi was lying about her knowledge of the enhanced interrogations and he once again thought for a second and said something to the affect that she really doesn’t know what she believes.

Both of these are examples of cowardice of the republicans.


13 posted on 05/11/2009 8:18:26 AM PDT by scottywr ("Birth Certificate? We don neeed no steenkeen birth certificate!")
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To: Reagan Man

Better a poor plan executed energetically than a perfect plan executed too late. Go for it.


15 posted on 05/11/2009 8:21:13 AM PDT by Woebama (Paying for my neighbor's mortgage and Wall Street's bonuses sure is hard.)
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To: Reagan Man
But is the party really lost?

I'm not lost. I know exactly what I believe in and I know with reasonable clarity what I expect our leadership to be doing.

Democrats won’t let go of the so-called “torture memos” and the possibility that Bush administration officials might be prosecuted for authorizing the alleged abuse of terrorist detainees.

Thats why on that subject we need to attack, attack, attack. Admit no wrong-doing, none at all, because there was no wrong-doing to admit to.

16 posted on 05/11/2009 8:28:29 AM PDT by marron
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To: Reagan Man
If Jeb Bush's and Colin Powell's remarks aren't a clear indication of what the GOP really is, then some folks are just never going to get it. One more time for the reality- inmpaired: The GOP is a party dominated and controlled by Democrats-light, or "beltway boys", "moderates", or whatever appellation you prefer. It ALWAYS has been and always will be. Conservatives are a minority of useful idiots.

The GOP is not a "conservative" party. It only adopted that label for a short while due to the expedience of Reagan's undeniable personal popularity (note who the party tapped as his successor and running mate). Reagan was an abherration to the GOP, and Newt's congress rode that pony to get into office, then reverted to form. When JB says "it's time to move past Reagan", he means the "conservative" label has played out its usefulness for the GOP, and it's time to admit what the party really is. The "middle" is where GOP power base has always been.

One more time: The GOP is no place for conservatives. We aren't going to change it.

17 posted on 05/11/2009 8:35:41 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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