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To: BlackElk
We also don't need divorce scandals affecting normally male priests.

That's true.But define "scandal".And priests wouldn't be allowed to divorce any more than "ordinary" Catholics are.Annulments may be granted in some cases as happens with some "ordinary" Catholics.

Anyone who simply must marry AND be a priest has the Eastern rites of Catholicism available.

So Latin rite countries will either have no priests or nothing but homosexual priests in 10-20 years?

Read Goodbye, Good Men which details the active recruitment of lavender queens to the priesthood and the active suppression of vocations among many normal males.

OK...so then the Holy Father himself needs to step in and rectify this.

Talk to a few normal young men in the priesthood and there are plenty of them.

I'm sure there are normal men (young and old) serving as priests today.But I'll wager that,in this country at least,they represent a small percentage of the total.

118 posted on 05/12/2009 9:42:09 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I don't have to define scandal. Spend time at your local divorce court and imagine that the husband in any given case was a priest. Adultery, pederasty, homosexuality, physical abuse, trying to pass AIDS to the wife through insistance on sex, anal "sex" within marriage, misappropriation of spousal funds, bad parenting, ad infinitum, ad nauseam, can be found in any divorce court.

Catholics are, in fact, allowed to divorce. They are simply not free to re-marry unless and until the Church determines prior marriages to have been void ab initio via an annulment. Wait and see the result of Fr. Feelgood getting his third annulment to marry a trophy wife. BTW, getting a Church annulment requires a divorce in civil court BEFORE applying.

I categorically reject your planted axiom that the mandatory celibacy reduces the numbers of good priests in any way that is not more than outweighed by the resulting quality of the priests we have. Fr. Cozzens is a clerical leftist and a highly suspect source. Again, he is heavily discredited in Goodbye, Good Men. He is part of the problem (as a sometime seminary official not to my knowledge for personal sexual misconduct) and certainly not a part of the solution. Time is no more credible on ANYTHING Catholic than Newsweek, the New York Times, the Boston Globe, ABCSeeBSNBCCNN et al.

As to the numbers, again, the Rockford Diocese has virtually no problem with sex scandals but typically has 40 or more seminarians. Bishop Doran is outspokenly Catholic and never liberal. He calls for Notre Dame to be called Northwest Indiana Humanist University and has publicly called out Fr. Jenkins as being in major sin.

The pope might well step in and it would be good if he did but the RCC followed subsidiarity long before Lincoln's parents were moved to conceive him. I would note that even John XXIII (noted liberal) banned homosexuals from the priesthood but was ignored.

Come out here and I will personally introduce you to quite a few outstanding young priests who came to this diocese because of this bishop and some who converted to Catholicism to become his priests. If one of them became your next bishop, you would be utterly amazed at the change that would occur. 10-20 years later (after seminary officials are purged and order restored in Dodge City or wherever you may live and orthodox Catholicism is restored) you will see plenty of young priests of unquestioned basic morality practicing celibacy and having earned the right to be trusted with your teenagers or with your husband or wife.

127 posted on 05/12/2009 11:00:29 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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