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Smokers, drinkers to carry tax burden?
Politico ^ | 05/13/09 | CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN

Posted on 05/13/2009 5:11:45 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220

If you make big bucks — or enjoy alcohol, cigarettes and Coke — the government might hit you up to pay for fixing the nation’s health care system.

On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee peeked into vending machines and liquor stores, company payrolls and health savings accounts, looking for a mix of tax increases and spending cuts as a way to pay for a health overhaul — which could cost more than $1.5 trillion over 10 years.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: drinkers; smokers; taxes
The people that traditionally vote dumbocrat are the ones that will be hurt the most. Serves em right.
1 posted on 05/13/2009 5:11:45 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Conservatives will distill, grow and roll their own astounding their friends and confusing the government.


2 posted on 05/13/2009 5:13:36 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Liberals wouldn't just free Barrabas, they would elect him to represent them.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Only till there are no more smokers or drinkers. Then it will be people who eat and breathe.


3 posted on 05/13/2009 5:16:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220
hit you up to pay for fixing the nation’s health care system.

It wasn't broke until the dems decided they wanted to take it over. Out came the trial lawyers, the price skyrocketed, and now we have a "crises." Good thing the dems are here to save us from .......them?

4 posted on 05/13/2009 5:17:45 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Sig Sauer P220
looking for a mix of tax increases and spending cuts as a way to pay for a health overhaul
5 posted on 05/13/2009 5:19:29 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: BipolarBob
On the contrary:

The court case involving a Wickard v. Filburn will take precedent.

6 posted on 05/13/2009 5:20:47 AM PDT by EBH (May God Save the Republic!)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

My projection, if they increase taxes on tobacco, liquor, and soft drinks, it will cut down on consumption, resulting in less revenue than they had predicted from the consumption tax.

Plus a cut back on consumption of those products mean the corporations that produce them don’t make as much profit, don’t pay as much tax because they don’t make as much profit, and they will probably have to cut back on their workforce, resulting in layoffs.

Sometimes politicians can’t see beyond the end of their nose when it comes to action/reaction scenarios.

Just my 2 cents.


7 posted on 05/13/2009 5:21:25 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Your Government says, “Smoke and Drink! it’s for the children!”


8 posted on 05/13/2009 5:22:27 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: Sig Sauer P220
The people that traditionally vote dumbocrat are the ones that will be hurt the most. Serves em right.

There going to be taxing stills and black light basement hemp nurseries?

9 posted on 05/13/2009 5:23:15 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: BipolarBob

The Supreme Court majority that decided the 2005 case Gonzales v. Raich relied heavily on Filburn in upholding the power of the federal government to prosecute individuals who grow their own medicinal marijuana pursuant to state law. In Raich, the court held that, as with the home grown wheat at issue in Filburn, home grown marijuana is a legitimate subject of federal regulation because it competes with marijuana that moves in interstate commerce. As the Court explained in Gonzalez:

Wickard thus establishes that Congress can regulate purely intrastate activity that is not itself “commercial,” in that it is not produced for sale, if it concludes that failure to regulate that class of activity would undercut the regulation of the interstate market in that commodity.


10 posted on 05/13/2009 5:23:56 AM PDT by EBH (May God Save the Republic!)
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To: dawn53

Jenny Granholm says revenue decline is “breathtaking”. And this is before the new tax increase.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/03/michigan_lottery_sales_taxes_o.html


11 posted on 05/13/2009 5:32:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: dawn53

Isn’t that what’s going on now? So many people unemployed, it’s cut down on tax receipts for local, state, and federal governments.

It is my belief that their “bating” us. See how far they can go before we get riled up. That’s probably when they’ll implement martial law and imprison anyone who doesn’t go along with their agenda.

They are talking about adding a 25 cent tax on a gallon of fuel here in Texas - it’s on talk radio this morning.


12 posted on 05/13/2009 5:35:05 AM PDT by Grumpybutt (Yep, I guess by Obuma's definition, I'm an exteremist)
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To: EBH
Wickard v. Filburn was the most pernicious expansion of federal power in history. It's overthrow should have been the Conservatives primary goal over the past 70 years. That decision alone should so blemish Roosevelt's record as to relegate him to the "worst president in history" category.

I was hoping that the Montana gun law would be the spark that finally over turned it, but I kind of have my doubts.
13 posted on 05/13/2009 5:40:07 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Partial-birth abortions are state sanctioned torture.)
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To: Grumpybutt
Isn’t that what’s going on now? So many people unemployed, it’s cut down on tax receipts for local, state, and federal governments.

CA's SALES tax revenues were down 50% in April from the previous year. Unemployed people don't buy as much, but also even the employed have cut back on spending. Vehicle purchases account for the lion's share of most states' sales tax revenues and nobody's buying cars.

14 posted on 05/13/2009 5:47:52 AM PDT by randita
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Taxing soda pop, cigarettes and gasoline hurt the poor the most. The lefties, while whining for the poor, exploit them for their own gain.

Psalm 10:
2: The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.
3: For the wicked boasteth of his heart’s desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.
4: The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.
5: His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.
6: He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity.
7: His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.
8: He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor.
9: He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net.
10: He croucheth, and humbleth himself, that the poor may fall by his strong ones.
11: He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: he hideth his face; he will never see it.
12: Arise, O LORD; O God, lift up thine hand: forget not the humble.
13: Wherefore doth the wicked contemn God? he hath said in his heart, Thou wilt not require it.
14: Thou hast seen it; for thou beholdest mischief and spite, to requite it with thy hand: the poor committeth himself unto thee; thou art the helper of the fatherless.
15: Break thou the arm of the wicked and the evil man: seek out his wickedness till thou find none.


15 posted on 05/13/2009 5:52:35 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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To: cripplecreek
Jenny Granholm says revenue decline is “breathtaking”.

The powers that be are losing control. The grasshoppers have outnumbered the ants, and the grasshoppers are still demanding more. They want to feed, feed, feed. Without free food, there's no democrat base.
This is going to get worse - much worse, because the ants are refusing to used as slaves. The only way to get the ants to cooperate is by force. Were there's force, there's even more resistance.

16 posted on 05/13/2009 5:57:29 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Sig Sauer P220

If they want a REAL vice tax, or sin tax - WHY don’t they tax ABORTIONS? That would help to make up for the Social Security shortfall that the Supreme Court’s abortion edict caused.


17 posted on 05/13/2009 6:03:19 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: randita

Same goes for fuel. Even though the price came down, people still aren’t buying as much or much more than they need for work, etc.

I guess they’ll never understand that when you tax (screw) the people long enough, the people will stop spending.


18 posted on 05/13/2009 6:21:13 AM PDT by Grumpybutt (Yep, I guess by Obuma's definition, I'm an exteremist)
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