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To: lizol
The magazine's front-page story, entitled "Partners. European associates in murdering Jews," cites the case of John Demjaniuk, a former Ukrainian SS-officer,

If I remember the story of John Demjaniuk correctly first he was a conscripted soldier in the Russian army after the Russians invaded Poland. Then he was captured by the Germans.

The Germans needing man power offered captured Pols the option to “volunteer” to serve in the German army.

Demjaniuk having the option of spending the rest of the war in a German prison camp on starvation rations or serving in the SS. Demjaniuk chose the German army.

In retrospect maybe not a great choice but who could blame him? Many other Pols made the same choice.

But how Der Spiegel can call this cooperation of other European Countries is just baffling.

Certainly individual collaborated but not the willing cooperation of a substantial number of the polulation.

35 posted on 05/20/2009 2:16:03 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Pontiac
In retrospect maybe not a great choice but who could blame him? Many other Pols made the same choice.

Demjanjuk was Ukrainian, not Polish. Poles did not serve in the German army. None!

38 posted on 05/20/2009 2:19:45 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: Pontiac

I’m afraid you’re messing things up.

You mean Demjaniuk was Polish?

He was not.He was an Ukrainian, born near Kiev.


44 posted on 05/20/2009 2:25:33 PM PDT by lizol
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To: Pontiac

Nah, that’s Pat Buchanan’s spin.

Here is a good article on it:

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/04/15/the-case-against-demjanjuk-and

And here is the US Court opinion; damning evidence:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:c7ONQ2VeCzkJ:news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/demjanjuk/usdemjanjuk022102jud.pdf+United+States+v.+Demjanjuk&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

And here is the US appeal (excerpted), which agreed he was a willing Nazi:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2004/04/30/Court-Demjanjuk-was-Nazi-camp-guard/UPI-64811083356868/


53 posted on 05/20/2009 2:31:52 PM PDT by Jewbacca (Yes, I am very hairy and good with small arms.)
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To: Pontiac

I think that Demjanjuk was Ukrainian, born in Kiev. That was never part of Poland.

Rather few Poles ever joined the Wehrmacht, and those that did were ones who actually were (or pretended to be) of German ethnicity: so-called Volksdeutsche. They were afforded extra food rations for there families as an incentive. Since many families were of mixed Polish-German ancestry, it was a matter of just emphasizing your choice. At the same time, the Nazis were persecuting intermarriage! Many Poles spoke both languages, and the villages in western Poland frequently had mixed populations. Similarly, there were Germans with slavic surnames, including some who were notable in the military. You think Skorzeny is a typical German name?

There was no place for Poles in the SS.


55 posted on 05/20/2009 2:34:43 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: Pontiac
Demjanjuk was no way an "SS Officer." Basically he was a low level flunky. Released KGB records after the fall of the USSR exonerated him from being Ivan the Terrible too, which is why Isreal released him back to the States.
131 posted on 05/20/2009 5:29:38 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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