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To: rhema
Militant anti-atheism is as irrational as anti-Christianity. I'm not judging the sincerity here, only the ignorance of what intelligent atheism is. It is not anti-anything, only "pro" reason.

Here are a couple of links you might be interested in:

An Atheist's defense of Christianity

My Christian Friends' Bad Mistake

Another Christian Mistake

If you must be the enemy of something, why not the enemy of the anti-reason leftists that are currently running this country, and why not be the ally of those who would die to defend your right to believe and worship as your best reason leads you to.

The freedom you enjoy (what's left of it) was very much made possible by the Atheist Thomas Paine, whose pamphlet "Common Sense" swayed many to become patriotic defender of America's independence.

Why do you take a couple of noisome idiots claiming to be atheists as the spokesmen for atheism. What would you think of me, if I chose the most despicable of self-proclaimed Christians as your example and spokesman? Hank

86 posted on 05/24/2009 5:36:49 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
The freedom you enjoy (what's left of it) was very much made possible by the Atheist Thomas Paine, whose pamphlet "Common Sense" swayed many to become patriotic defender of America's independence.

Some have characterized Paine as having Deistic sensibilities. Cf. this 1707 address:

Thomas Paine on "The Study of God" Delivered in Paris on January 16, 1797, in a Discourse to the Society of Theophilanthropists

It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of Divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles. He can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author.

When we examine an extraordinary piece of machinery, an astonishing pile of architecture, a well executed statue or a highly finished painting where life and action are imitated, and habit only prevents our mistaking a surface of light and shade for cubical solidity, our ideas are naturally led to think of the extensive genius and talents of the artist. When we study the elements of geometry, we think of Euclid. When we speak of gravitation, we think of Newton. How then is it, that when we study the works of God in the creation, we stop short, and do not think of God? It is from the error of the schools in having taught those subjects as accomplishments only, and thereby separated the study of them form the Being who is the author of them. . . .

The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools in teaching natural philosophy as an accomplishment only has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the works of the creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of His existence. They labor with studied ingenuity to ascribe everything they behold to innate properties of matter; and jump over all the rest, by saying that matter is eternal.

Why do you take a couple of noisome idiots claiming to be atheists as the spokesmen for atheism. What would you think of me, if I chose the most despicable of self-proclaimed Christians as your example and spokesman? Hank

Dawkins, Hitchens, Myers: not exactly illiterate, inarticulate Fred Phelpses, are they? With their educational bona fides, they're considered a who's who of the intelligentsia, Hank, and they're lionized in the media. That same media, by the way, are perennially taking unlettered hatemongers like Phelps and setting them up as oracles of the [Christian, pro-life, pro-family, you name it] community.

89 posted on 05/25/2009 4:27:42 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Hank Kerchief
Why do you take a couple of noisome idiots claiming to be atheists as the spokesmen for atheism.

There are genuine atheists and agnostics, and then there are the much larger groups of anti-christians/anti-creationists. The difference between the two usually becomes quickly apparent, with the anti-christians/anti-creationists trying to hide their agenda in 'science' and using every tool they can come up with (evolutionism, etc) to attack those who do not adopt their ideology.

96 posted on 05/25/2009 1:32:43 PM PDT by valkyry1
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