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China Is Now in Firm Control of U.S. Debt Markets
Seeking Alpha ^ | May 25, 2009 | Jeff Nielson

Posted on 05/26/2009 12:41:03 PM PDT by arthurus

It is hilarious listening to the propagandists try to “spin” the events in bond and currency markets to make it sound like the U.S. government is still operating from a position of strength.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhodeficit; capital; china; commodotoes; second100days; treasuries

1 posted on 05/26/2009 12:41:04 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: arthurus

Yep, China owns us now. I wonder what that means for the future.


2 posted on 05/26/2009 12:42:19 PM PDT by DonaldC
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To: DonaldC

It means N Korea is safe.


3 posted on 05/26/2009 12:43:57 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are a ruled people, serfs to the Federal Oligarchy -- and the Tree of Liberty thirsts)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Congratulations WalMart shoppers.


4 posted on 05/26/2009 12:45:36 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: DonaldC

a corporate entity called the United States Federal Government owns that debt. That’s all it means.


5 posted on 05/26/2009 12:47:48 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Oldexpat

This means that when the federal government monetizes the debt, causing hyperinflation, we have to send tankers full of worthless bills to China to pay off the debt. They can use it for toilet paper, since it’ll be cheaper.


6 posted on 05/26/2009 12:53:12 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com for the love of something)
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To: arthurus
I do everything in my power not to buy “Made in China”. But what can you do? In the average Home Depot or Wal-Mart it seems like 2/3 of products are made in China. I will buy Taiwan or Malaysia, South Korea (nothing made in N.Korea) , Brazil, etc, but I cannot find products made there all the time.

I will buy made in USA whenever possible. I will pay the premium for the value. Made in the USA products are almost always better quality than Foreign. The only place where we've had a problem with made in USA is the auto industry and I posted extensively on that. The problem there is cost structure and not product quality. Besides most of the auto industries bad days in terms of quality were back in the 1970's and 1980's. They make excellent products in terms of quality today.

There is less and less made in USA. I think we are becoming a country of people who file insurance forms. I'm depressed.
7 posted on 05/26/2009 1:01:02 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

It means that when Hillary goes to China, she will be very careful about criticizing the Chinese over such issues as human rights, religious persecution, Tibet, etc. Whether we like it or not, China has leverage over our foreign and economic policies.


8 posted on 05/26/2009 1:08:36 PM PDT by kabar
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To: GeronL
This means that when the federal government monetizes the debt, causing hyperinflation, we have to send tankers full of worthless bills to China to pay off the debt. They can use it for toilet paper, since it’ll be cheaper.

I say we have all 50 states secede from Washington DC and join with PR, Guam, and the USVI to form a new country. DC gets to keep the debt and all the politicians, they ran up the bills, they get to keep them. China can just repossess Washington DC and turn it into Hong Kong on the Atlantic.
9 posted on 05/26/2009 1:16:27 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: DonaldC

10 posted on 05/26/2009 1:27:31 PM PDT by dblshot
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To: GonzoGOP

“This means that when the federal government monetizes the debt, causing hyperinflation, we have to send tankers full of worthless bills to China to pay off the debt. They can use it for toilet paper, since it’ll be cheaper.”

No, this is about the only positive thing about inflation. If we owe China $2 trillion, we owe them $2 trillion regardless of what the relative worth of that amount is. It is not their best interest for us to hyper inflate because their investment becomes worthless.


11 posted on 05/26/2009 1:43:54 PM PDT by DonaldC
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China Warns Federal Reserve Over 'Printing Money'

China has warned a top member of the US Federal Reserve that it is increasingly disturbed by the Fed's direct purchase of US Treasury bonds.

The Telegraph (UK)
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 9:40AM BST 26 May 2009

Richard Fisher, president of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank, said: "Senior officials of the Chinese government grilled me about whether or not we are going to monetise the actions of our legislature."

"I must have been asked about that a hundred times in China. I was asked at every single meeting about our purchases of Treasuries. That seemed to be the principal preoccupation of those that were invested with their surpluses mostly in the United States," he told the Wall Street Journal.

His recent trip to the Far East appears to have been a stark reminder that Asia's "Confucian" culture of right action does not look kindly on the insouciant policy of printing money by Anglo-Saxons.

Mr Fisher, the Fed's leading hawk, was a fierce opponent of the original decision to buy Treasury debt, fearing that it would lead to a blurring of the line between fiscal and monetary policy – and could all too easily degenerate into Argentine-style financing of uncontrolled spending.

However, he agreed that the Fed was forced to take emergency action after the financial system "literally fell apart".

Nor, he added was there much risk of inflation taking off yet. The Dallas Fed uses a "trim mean" method based on 180 prices that excludes extreme moves and is widely admired for accuracy.

"You've got some mild deflation here," he said.

The Oxford-educated Mr Fisher, an outspoken free-marketer and believer in the Schumpeterian process of "creative destruction", has been running a fervent campaign to alert Americans to the "very big hole" in unfunded pension and health-care liabilities built up by a careless political class over the years.

"We at the Dallas Fed believe the total is over $99 trillion," he said in February.

"This situation is of your own creation. When you berate your representatives or senators or presidents for the mess we are in, you are really berating yourself. You elect them," he said.

His warning comes amid growing fears that America could lose its AAA sovereign rating.

12 posted on 05/26/2009 2:09:35 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
This one should work:

China warns Federal Reserve over 'printing money'

13 posted on 05/26/2009 3:59:31 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: GonzoGOP

wonderful idea!


14 posted on 05/26/2009 5:02:03 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com for the love of something)
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To: arthurus

ping


15 posted on 05/27/2009 6:01:20 AM PDT by mr_hammer ("Before you were formed in the womb, I knew you")
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