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US recession to end in second half: NABE survey (pointy heads become media whores)
AFP ^ | 05/27/09

Posted on 05/27/2009 5:34:37 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: Altura Ct.

LOL. Just like Hoover supposedly said “prosperity is just around the corner”.


21 posted on 05/27/2009 7:09:22 AM PDT by princeofdarkness ("Obama Lied. Liberty, Morality, and Prosperity Died.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I have been telling my wife that 6 months into the Obama administration, the media will do a 180 on the economy.


22 posted on 05/27/2009 7:19:49 AM PDT by vlad335
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To: TigerLikesRooster; ex-Texan

The Wall Street Insiders never stop playing the same deceptive games.


23 posted on 05/27/2009 8:13:22 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; BOBTHENAILER; Ernest_at_the_Beach; tubebender; Liz

My wife has several boomer patients, in the family practice, she works in, without jobs for months opting for the early Social Security benefits to buy food and pay for the utilities. Many have gone for this option as their unemployment benefits have run out.

These people will basically have no financial capability to prop up our economy even if it bounces back.

This trend is cited in the link below:

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/unemployment-claims-run-out-many-work

Tuesday May 26, 2009 07:05 am
As Unemployment Claims Run Out, Many Workers Are Opting for Early Retirement By Susie Madrak

It would make more sense for the government to keep extending unemployment benefits until the recession lets up, because the effects of this poverty-inducing trend are far more harmful to the long-term economy than putting out cash now to keep people afloat:

Reporting from Washington — Instead of seeing older workers staying on the job longer as the economy has worsened, the Social Security system is reporting a major surge in early retirement claims that could have implications for the financial security of millions of baby boomers.

Since the current federal fiscal year began Oct. 1, claims have been running 25% ahead of last year, compared with the 15% increase that had been projected as the post-World War II generation reaches eligibility for early retirement, according to Stephen C. Goss, chief actuary for the Social Security Administration.

Many of the additional retirements are probably laid-off workers who are claiming Social Security early, despite reduced benefits, because they are under immediate financial pressure, Goss and other analysts believe.

The numbers upend expectations that older Americans who sustained financial losses in the recession would work longer to rebuild their nest eggs. In a December poll sponsored by CareerBuilder, 60% of workers older than 60 said they planned to postpone retirement.

Goss said it remained unclear whether the uptick in retirements would accelerate or abate in the months ahead. But another wave of older workers may opt for early retirement when they exhaust unemployment benefits late this year or early in 2010, he noted.

The ramifications of the trend are profound for the new retirees, their families, the government and other social institutions that may be called upon to help support them.

On top of savings ravaged by the stock market decline and the loss of home equity, many retirees now must make do with Social Security benefits reduced by as much as 25% if they retire at age 62 instead of 66.

“When the recession ends and the economy bounces back, there may be a band of people for whom things will never be the same again. They’ll still be paying the price for 10, 20, 30 years down the road,” said Cristina Martin Firvida, director of economic security for AARP, the nation’s largest membership organization for people 50 and older.


These early social security boomers will hammer the current and future economy. They will destroy what’s left in the so called SS funds and Medicare funds.

Income Tax receipts for many states will continue to plummet as many states don’t tax social security benefits:

“Many states exclude Social Security retirement benefits from state income taxes. The District of Columbia and 27 states with income taxes provide a full exclusion for Social Security benefits — Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Virginia and Wisconsin.”


24 posted on 05/27/2009 8:31:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foriegn/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: Wolfie

Maybe the less cautious will bight on the reversal, however, I do not think many will. Easy credit is a thing of the past. To many empty houses, too many in foreclosure, too many jobs gone. Until the jobs come back, spending is a moot point.


25 posted on 05/27/2009 9:37:57 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: blam
In the last few years my FRiend, I find what is not on the forefront of hype of the LSM is what we need to pay attention to.

Thank you for that link because I wasn't aware of the Argentina impact, but, was fully aware of the CA agricultural irrigation water fiasco.

26 posted on 05/27/2009 9:46:27 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: M. Espinola
I was talking to a wealthy woman today about the economy and stock market. I mentioned that one of my contacts in Oregon has a business that clears $ 40k a month. He was surprised because his local bank cut back his credit line from $ 20,000 to only $ 10,000. He has never missed a payment and pays on time. The bank was upset because he pays the balance in full every month.

The woman was two sons who are bankers living in California. She claims to 'know' that all banks are lending money. 'Real estate loans and personal lines of credit are easy,' she claimed. She told me my business contact must be lying. Why? Because her sons claim business loans are going 'great guns.'

She trusts her stock broker because he put her into managed money account. And just has 'a feeling that everything will be all right' with the stock market. This is a good example of a person who has too much of everything. Talk about people with their 'eyes wide shut.'

27 posted on 05/27/2009 12:43:31 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: Grampa Dave

Thanks for the great info.


28 posted on 05/27/2009 12:49:04 PM PDT by Liz (Everything Obama says comes with an expiration date.)
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To: ex-Texan
The naïve & stubborn lady with her 'eyes wide shut' regarding the health of the market, will have them abruptly opened when the commission hungry broker takes her for a royal ride, the next time things are not alright, which should not be that far off.

Some people refuse to learn from very recent economic history.

29 posted on 05/28/2009 5:57:49 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: M. Espinola
The Bilderberg Group has a plan to continue to fool investors and savers into believing the upturn of the economy while working to remake the global political economy. Read the report by clicking here.

I believe that equity losses in 2008 were worse than those of 1929. The next phase of this economic decline may be worse than the 1930s. This is mostly because the U.S. economy carries more than $20 trillion of excess debt. Some experts say that our excess debt including Social Security and Medicare exceeds $ 90 trillion. I posted a link for that opinion a couple of days ago. Also, this time, Wall Street was speculating wildly using exotic financial derivatives the like of which were never seen in history.

We are being led down a path to certain destruction by greedy speculators and by economic and social engineering mavens. Nobody knows how deep and wide the economic damage is today and how far it will go. Everybody is reading rancid tea leaves and declaring pompously that they 'know the truth.' Obama has his head in stuck up the wrong end of his own debased alimentary canal.

30 posted on 05/28/2009 7:10:03 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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