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How the Obama administration can save newspapers (Dinosaur Media DeathWatchâ„¢)
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 30, 2009 | Tim Rutten

Posted on 05/30/2009 2:08:41 AM PDT by abb

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To: raybbr
I know you are being sarcastic but the whole article was about on-line newspapers...

No it wasn't. It was talking about their huge lose in classified ad revenues, which are real paper newspaper, and how on-line advertising brings in much less.

21 posted on 05/30/2009 4:09:07 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: abb

Here’s a quote from Adam Smith about this type of meeting:
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“People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but that the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”


22 posted on 05/30/2009 4:11:49 AM PDT by jsh3180
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To: iopscusa; abb

>>>>> ‘Democrat/Socialist/Obamunist party is the political arm of the newspaper industry’. <<<<<

That seems to fit the journalists I’ve worked with to a T.

Smart, articulate, and they usually know how to write pretty well.

But also amazingly stupid in that they’re often much too quick to draw ill-founded conclusions based on a superficial understanding that is 1 inch deep, or even 1/2 inch or less.

To top it off, having their names constantly in print along with the power to quote or not quote other people (and thus to put *their* names in print) exaggerates the ego and self-importance of the average journo.

This mindset is also what produces liberals.


23 posted on 05/30/2009 4:18:28 AM PDT by angkor
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To: FatherofFive

>>So you pay $1 for a newspaper, and get $2 in Obamabucks, redeemable everywhere.

You can’t redeem them everywhere. The bitter clingers would go to Wal-Mart and buy ammo with them.

But you will be able to accumulate your Obamabucks and use them towards a brand-new Government Motors Clown Car (available in in color you want, as long as it’s white).


24 posted on 05/30/2009 4:20:11 AM PDT by Bryanw92
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To: abb

Good morning..I guess these days you have to get up very early on a weekend to cover all the stories of the impending MSM disaster..


25 posted on 05/30/2009 4:53:41 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Landru
But they're going to have to force people to buy the crap.

The Austin paper is sending out advertisements to random email addresses to subscribe for "only $1.50 per week. I don't THINK so.

There's a huge majority of Americans who don't read as it is, the typical zerO supporter for example?

When they do read them, they read the headlines and the first one or two paragraphs. Most of the headlines are laughs these days anyway. If there are any false statements in an article, the correction is usually on page A-10 where no one ever sees the retraction.

26 posted on 05/30/2009 5:04:06 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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To: Landru

When 60% of the population doesn’t want to read the garbage they peddle, your market is limited. The other 40% doesn’t read anything. Looks like a winning business model to me...

hh


27 posted on 05/30/2009 5:25:49 AM PDT by hoosier hick ((I'm back to..) Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo. (Barry Goldwater))
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To: abb

Save us Obama! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Come on! We are journalism majors, for crying out loud! Do you think we have a brain and know how to get a real job? Plus - how about all that a$$ kissing we have done for you? Huh!? Isn't that worth a few Billion in taxpayer's money?

28 posted on 05/30/2009 5:41:06 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Darkwolf377
“It never occurs to them that maybe the reason they are bleeding readership is because they’re doing something wrong.”

Am I the only person who can see the obvious solution? Which is, solicit ACORN to go door to door and “sell” subscriptions. Of course, expecting them to actually deliver papers to their new subscribers is another matter. Nevertheless, revenue would certainly go up for sure. But, on the other hand, there's a minor problem with billing people, Mickey Mouse and the like...

29 posted on 05/30/2009 5:42:31 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: abb

You can not copyright news.

Only your wording.

Put up any pay wall you want and I (or anyone else) who reads your content can dissect it, add our own additional information if we want, and regurgitate it out into the web.

If I don’t use your wording you can’t do jack about it. Simple information isn’t copyrightable.

Pay walls aren’t going anywhere.


30 posted on 05/30/2009 6:23:52 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: angkor
"But also amazingly stupid in that they’re often much too quick to draw ill-founded conclusions based on a superficial understanding that is 1 inch deep, or even 1/2 inch or less."

Is it really, "stupid"?
Or deliberate?

Could it be they craft their pap to appeal to all who're too quick to draw ill-founded conclusions based on a superficial understanding that is 1 inch deep, or even 1/2 inch or less?

It's not that they thoroughly understand their targets, they most certainly do; but, that's not good enough.
They've endeavored to create their own targets and it hasn't, isn't, nor will the ruse work.
At least not as of yet, anyway.

That's really what I believe these *meetings* are all about: the profound rejection of them, their propaganda and Utopian POV and they don't like it one iota.

31 posted on 05/30/2009 6:51:46 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: Arrowhead1952
"The Austin paper is sending out advertisements to random email addresses to subscribe for "only $1.50 per week. I don't THINK so."

HA!!!
For the past two weeks on Fridays {however not yesterday, FWIW} our local rag sent non-subscribers a *free* copy via the USPS!!
*Pretty* desperate, that ilk.
Means they're going to grow more & more shrill, ultimately becoming in yo' face vicious.

>There's a huge majority of Americans who don't read as it is, the typical zerO supporter for example?
"When they do read them, they read the headlines and the first one or two paragraphs."

Indeed, quite true. ;^)
One can observe the shtick in action, themselves.
Each and every time without fail a politician's caught red-handed doing anything?
If the pol's a Democrat the party affiliation's either omitted or not added a'tall OR if it is it appears in the last paragraphs if not in THE last one.

OTOH *if* the pol's a Republican it appears not only in first sentence of the first paragraph, but also in the byline.

This breed we're dealing with today?
They're manipulators without equal, past or present.

Moreover if history's to maintain any credibility whatsoever? History must accurately record the times and insoding condemn what the buggers have done with their precious 1st Amendment right, specifically how it was used.
Otherwise all may forget history and anything historians have to say, forevermore. And that ain't no Yogism, either.

"Most of the headlines are laughs these days anyway. If there are any false statements in an article, the correction is usually on page A-10 where no one ever sees the retraction."

Uh-huh.
The ploy's getting out, though.
Only one of the many reasons the crap sits in boxes unsold *and* unread, nothing a'tall to do with the Internet.

32 posted on 05/30/2009 7:12:51 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: hoosier hick
"When 60% of the population doesn’t want to read the garbage they peddle, your market is limited."

Sure is.

"The other 40% doesn’t read anything. Looks like a winning business model to me..."

Well certain Talk Radio hosts have said many times in the past the newspaper business is the only business known that expects to flourish by insulting their customers.
Of course all attune with the situation would have to agree; however, there's more to it than even that.
Like egos so out of control, so run amok as to be considered a psychosis, for example?

And interestingly enough this J-Psychosis affecting journalists --& their entire industry-- appears to be communicable, also.
In that sense it's just like a any other ordinary virus.

One acquires J-PV virus at a[ny] Journalism School, of course. So be it.
Someone needs to enlighten the afflicted viruses are just another parasite, and, parasites almost always universally kill their host. ;^)

33 posted on 05/30/2009 7:24:42 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: ken5050

While I do enjoy finding the articles on weekdays, weekends or whenever, I had an ulterior motive for being up early - fishing.

Didn’t catch a single fish...


34 posted on 05/30/2009 8:28:18 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

I stopped reading when I read this “habitually timid group”!

Rutten probably should have to have drug tests run before any of his opeds are accepted.

The arrogant left wing elites of the fishwraps have never had a timid moment in their lives.


35 posted on 05/30/2009 8:34:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foriegn/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: Grampa Dave

I going to email him those quotes from the Nixon/Frost interview. They’ll probably go completely over his head.


36 posted on 05/30/2009 8:40:41 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

http://www.wordyard.com/2009/05/29/its-not-the-pay-its-the-wall/
It’s not the pay, it’s the wall

http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/the-naas-secret-meeting/
The NAA’s secret meeting

http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-opening-up-closed-doors-what-news-execs-asked-brill/
Opening Up Closed Doors: What News Execs Asked Brill

http://www.borrellassociates.com:8080/wordpress/2009/05/29/are-we-nuts/
Are we NUTS?

To use one of my favorite Borrell quotes, “The deer now have guns.”


37 posted on 05/30/2009 8:46:10 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

So many of these bozos from the LA Slimes/Ny Slime and similiar left wing fishwraps seem to be clones of Jayson Blair re their total inability to investigate any story and then write an article based on their investigations.


38 posted on 05/30/2009 8:48:06 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foriegn/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: EasySt
If the drive by media was half as smart as they think they are, they would have been the creators of web based services like craig’s list, ebay, etc.

A critical point.

Just as buggy & wagon manufacturers had the plant, motivation and access to technology to start building automobiles, the MSM had the opportunity to create the web-based services that are eating their lunch.

Not surprisingly, what they are actually asking for is "protectionism from capitalism".

39 posted on 05/30/2009 8:54:57 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: abb; iopscusa
The entire US Newspaper industry is the propaganda arm of the Democratic Socialist/Obamunist Party.
I submit it's the other way around. The Democrat/Socialist/Obamunist party is the political arm of the newspaper industry.
My opinion has long been that the behavior of journalism is entirely consistent with its own interest in making its criticism seem more important than the actual deeds of others. And that, given the natural propaganda advantages of going along and getting along with journalism, it requires a dedication to principle for a polititian to do anything but be a "liberal".

40 posted on 05/30/2009 9:19:12 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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