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To: mick
We will never know whether your statement would be true.

I disagree. I believe it is indisputably true. The leeches, at least the ones in power, were dead or deposed. That in itself should qualify as a vast improvement even if living conditions didn't improve, which they couldn't help but do.

But, first, given the level of physical destruction and decay described by Rand it would seem reasonable to think they where back to a pre-industrial condition.

But you can't charge that decay to the gulchers. The decay is in almost every case the proximate result of the beliefs and policies of the looters and wouldn't be prevented even if the able gulcher-types kept on trying. Look at the decay Dagny suffered on the railroad while she refuses to shrug. And in even those cases where no one is immediately to blame or where shrugging gulchers are the proximate cause, the blame properly belongs on the mooching looters.

And, second, without getting ahead of ourselves in the story, can we really be sure the hearts and minds of the people where changed? I gotta tell ya, what I know of human nature tells me that there will be a hell of a lot of pissed off people coming out of the ashes. But that's for a later thread!

You make an excellent and frightening point here. I'd hope they'd be able to see for the reasons I've outlined that it's not the gulchers but the looters they have to blame.

59 posted on 05/30/2009 7:57:53 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Still Thinking
Well, you have some historical precedent on your side.

Germany and Japan after WWII. And the Warsaw Pact countries after the collapse of communism. They all repudiated the leaders and philosophy, for the most part, of what drove them into poverty in the first place.

I hope when our rebuilding begins we can do the same.

Good discussion, Still Thinking....signing off !

62 posted on 05/30/2009 8:10:00 PM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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