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To: jwalsh07
God said “Thou shalt not murder.” I don’t think there is much room for debate there no matter who did it.

Funny, I don't hear this line used when we hunt down and kill terrorists in other countries, Somalia or Yemen for example. These killings are in countries against whom we are not at war. I completely support them, as does almost everyone else here, but that doesn't change the fact that they are outside the law.

The worst terrorists in the world today have killed far, far fewer than this man. And we aren't talking about 16 cell embryo's here, we're talking in many cases about babies who are old enough that they could live outside the womb, if given the chance.

Of course, in the case of the terrorists, you might argue that since it is our government doing it, rather than a private citizen, that makes it legal, and thus not murder. Alright then, what about Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe? I have seen hundreds of posts here about how some citizen of Zimbabwe should just take him out (and I agree). I have seen not one post, literally not a single one, saying that God wouldn't approve of that because it was "murder". Yet Miller has killed far more than Mugabe.

So, are our brave soldiers "murderers"? Would someone who stood up to genocide in Rwanda, or Zimbabwe, or Hitler's Germany have been a murderer? Or are you and many others here just hypocrites?
1,332 posted on 05/31/2009 7:07:39 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: LonghornFreeper
I think many are becoming cautious about what they post. No one trust what the Obama people will end up doing to those who speak up or write against their agenda. People need to start counting the cost and be wise before they post everything they think. That is not to say that one may not want the truth out at any personal cost.
1,352 posted on 05/31/2009 7:29:46 PM PDT by Bellflower (The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)
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To: LonghornFreeper
So, are our brave soldiers "murderers"? Would someone who stood up to genocide in Rwanda, or Zimbabwe, or Hitler's Germany have been a murderer? Or are you and many others here just hypocrites?

The soldiers, in that they do their killings under orders and in combat. No. The others, well there has been a lot of interesting debate.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer is a personal hero of mine. He was a Lutheran pastor who stood up to the Nazi's, to the point of being involved in the bomb plot. He was later killed as a result.

He is a hero in the US, but not in Germany. The reason? He crossed the line in attempting to murder the ruler of the state. Many Christians, both Lutheran and Catholic, in Germany feel that was unjustified. Helping someone escape the camps? Great. Attempting to over through the State? Not so, and evil.

They remind that Paul said to pray for the Emperor, even while the same emperor was killing Christians. He didn't say to go out an kill him.

Now, I have read enough of Bonhoffer's writings to know that he did not take that step lightly. And he knew that by taking up the sword, he would die by it. In the USA, we applaud those who tried to end the war by killing Hitler. But in Europe, they are not viewed in such a kind light. Either in Germany or out of it. The Church has often said that violent overthrow of existing rulers by their subjects is not justified in most cases. We never here that in the US, but if you ask a devout Christian from Europe you will.

1,363 posted on 05/31/2009 7:51:52 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: LonghornFreeper
So, are our brave soldiers "murderers"?

Of course not, you're just an idiot.

1,457 posted on 06/01/2009 8:18:10 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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