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To: patriot preacher
Hmmm. The shooter no doubt committed murder by our laws.

Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer.

In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery.

Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.

56 posted on 05/31/2009 10:31:40 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: SampleMan

A most excellent post.


59 posted on 05/31/2009 10:36:32 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: SampleMan
Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.

Titus Livy said the same thing, more or less, over 2000 years ago. This lesson is so stark and so compelling thatit bears repeating at every opportunity. In his introduction to his monumental history of Rome, Livy remarked that his purpose in writing was "to trace the progress of our moral decline, to watch, first, the sinking of the foundations of morality as the old teaching was allowed to lapse, then the rapidly increasing disintegration, then the final collapse of the whole edifice, and the dark dawning of our modern day when we can neither endure our vices nor face the remedies needed to cure them."

The whole question of whether or not America will continue to exist a free Republic comes down to whether we can face - and enact - the remedies needed to cure our nation, our culture and our hearts of the rot of Marxism, multi-culturalism and collectivism that has penetrated every institution we have. Rome failed to to do what we must do - and history is our witness to its fate.

146 posted on 05/31/2009 11:31:05 AM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: SampleMan

Hmmm. The shooter no doubt committed murder by our laws.
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer.

In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery.

Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.
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On principle we are agreed. On application, we might not be. In the case of the Czechs, they were “surrendered” by Neville Chamberlain, never given an opportunity or a say to determine their own fate. They were engaged in a war against oppression — during a time of declared war (WORLD war), and so acted accordingly.

On the other hand, John Brown broke the law, plain and simple. He may (or may not) have been morally right regarding slavery, but that did not justify the attempt at rebellion. I think it’s ironic to note that the SAME United States government that aauthorized Col. RObert E. Lee in 1858 to take Brown down at Harpers Ferry, less than 3 yrs later instigated a war to accomplish the same ends as Brown (or so they nobly claim).

In much the same way, the murderer of Tiller has acted inappropriately, unjustly, and illegally, as did Brown. We are NOT engaged in war (not yet anyway), and while there was provocation (the murder of the unborn can be seen no other way by a moral people), this does not justify an individual taking the law into his own hands, being judge, jury and executioner.

I for one, will NOT hold this person up as a hero. He is a criminal. What he has done has percipitated — or at least hastened — the coing persecution against Christians, gun owners, and any others who believe in “traditional” or “Conservative” values and governance. When we face this, we will have this murderer to thank in part.

I suggest we ALL get prepared. The next year and a half is likely to be quite tense and dangerous.


194 posted on 05/31/2009 3:09:17 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: SampleMan
Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.

Should that be "Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of [] obeying them"? Methinks that's what you meant.

40,000,000 no longer live with the result of obeying them.

212 posted on 06/01/2009 5:40:43 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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