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US: H-1B workers outnumber unemployed techies
ComputerWorld ^ | May 26, 2009 08:44 PM ET | Patrick Thibodeau

Posted on 06/01/2009 11:16:03 AM PDT by TSgt

Computerworld - WASHINGTON -- As unemployment among tech workers increases with the recession, the U.S. government is raising broad questions as part of a federal case over H-1Bs about the connection of visa fraud to the unemployment of IT workers. The government's interest in H-1B fraud-related unemployment turned up in court filings in a case in U.S. District Court in Iowa against a New Jersey IT firm, Visions Systems Group in South Plainfield, NJ, which was indicted in February on visa-related fraud charges. Visions Systems was included in a sweep that led to arrests of some 11 people in six states. The government, in announcing its action, said the companies and people involved were "displacing qualified American workers," but didn't identify how many. In court papers filed last month, the U.S. indicated it may be getting ready to do just that. The U.S. said it is "prepared to demonstrate to the court the manner in which the defendant's schemes, along with similar schemes by similar companies have substantially deprived U.S. citizens of employment." The government then points out that "in January of 2009, the total number of workers employed in the information technology occupation under the H-1B program substantially exceeded the 241,000 unemployed U.S. citizen workers within the same occupation."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: h1bfraud; immigration; jobs; visas
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Exposing the fraud that is the H1B program.
1 posted on 06/01/2009 11:16:03 AM PDT by TSgt
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To: MikeWUSAF

I’m shocked, just shocked.


2 posted on 06/01/2009 11:23:44 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 133 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

nowadays even the headhunters are Indians..


3 posted on 06/01/2009 11:25:53 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: MikeWUSAF

I’ve gotten so sick of this treason by business I won’t even interview someone whose name looks foreign. I kid you not. I am sick of the flood of cheap Indian labor that has been illegally used. One corporation after another has cheated this country and claimed they couldn’t find an American for the job when they refused explicitly to even consider an American. I have been in one meeting with senior management after another when the topic was discussed and they agreed the cheaper labor would save them money so “go get an Indian”. I am sick of this. It is high time we fight back.


4 posted on 06/01/2009 11:25:55 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: MikeWUSAF
How would you explain

and

?

5 posted on 06/01/2009 11:26:20 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: CodeToad

“I have been in one meeting with senior management after another when the topic was discussed and they agreed the cheaper labor would save them money so “go get an Indian”.”

What needs to be outsourced is senior management, aka no value added. Can’t find their butt with both hands.

I’ve worked with so many ignorant Indians with PhD’s it’s disgusting. They are taking up space in college that should be used by the competent.


6 posted on 06/01/2009 11:29:39 AM PDT by Eagles2003
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
So your chart is saying that H-1B workers are actually getting paid more than displaced American workers?

The difference is that these workers are off of the books of the corporations, meaning that they don't have to pay medical benefits and retiree benefits for the life of the worker.

-PJ

7 posted on 06/01/2009 11:30:10 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Yeah, but the rec/fitness babes are hotter.


8 posted on 06/01/2009 11:31:14 AM PDT by central_va (www.15thVirginia.org Co. C, Patrick Henry Rifles)
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To: Eagles2003

“What needs to be outsourced is senior management, aka no value added. Can’t find their butt with both hands.”

What is knee-slapping funny is that Obama has placed a 31 year old in charge of the auto industry. Fact is, he’s as qualified and competent as any of the senior management of any auto company.


9 posted on 06/01/2009 11:32:06 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: MikeWUSAF

There are fraudsters all over this program, but this program does have some legitimate uses.

In India and China, there are so many programmers that they can study obscure programing languages that no programmer wants to in the US. (larger populations) This tends to be the rule in both up and coming programing languages and programing languages that are dead in the US.

Programmers want to make themselves widely marketable in the US, unfortunately this causes them to be treated as a commodity and specialized task to either be off-shored or H1B’d.

This program needs to be overhauled to ensure that this isn’t abused.

It is critical to keep a program to make sure that we don’t have to off-shore just because we don’t have anyone in country that wants to do the work.


10 posted on 06/01/2009 11:35:29 AM PDT by dila813
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

with salaries for software/elect. engineers falling the
best and brightest are drawing the inevitable conclusion
to go into law, bidness, or medicine.


11 posted on 06/01/2009 11:38:58 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: rahbert

The chart doesn’t say law, business or medicine... it says parks, recreation, leisure and “fitness” studies.


12 posted on 06/01/2009 11:42:07 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

I’ll go out on a limb and assert that the best and brightest don’t major in fitness studies.


13 posted on 06/01/2009 11:43:52 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: MikeWUSAF
The exact size of the H-1B labor force in the U.S. is uncertain because of a lack of accurate data.

The government has lost track of what foreign guest IT workers are here and what they are doing. During the recession the plug should be pulled on the H-1B guest worker program.

14 posted on 06/01/2009 11:44:56 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

H1-B is a complete fraud, and always has been. H1-B is to skilled workers what illegals are to unskilled... nothing more.

Its far past time this program was ended, or the rules on it truly enforced, and the firms who are consciously and knowingly violating it get their executives sent to jail.


15 posted on 06/01/2009 11:48:39 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: CodeToad

This assclown is a 31 yo I wouldn’t let change the oil in my truck let alone drive GM into the ditch, that’s where it’s headed.

Who in their right mind would buy a car from the government?


16 posted on 06/01/2009 11:49:34 AM PDT by Eagles2003
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Distribution of Wages for H1B Workers and All U.S. Workers

Your results as skewed right there because H1Bs aren't store clerks or laborers or gardeners or construction workers. Compare wages of H1B with their U.S. counterparts and then you'd have a figure worth discussing.

17 posted on 06/01/2009 11:50:03 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
What about this one:

?

18 posted on 06/01/2009 11:56:06 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
So your chart is saying that H-1B workers are actually getting paid more than displaced American workers?

No, they get paid much less. The guest workers mostly work in IT which has higher pay than an average job. They are not the best and the brightest as advertised. They are the cheapest. The world's real best and brightest do not come in as H-1B guest workers.

19 posted on 06/01/2009 11:56:45 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Reeses
In that case, explain this:


20 posted on 06/01/2009 11:59:37 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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