“Junk” DNA: Darwinism’s Last Stand?

Discovery Institute ^ | June 4, 2009 | Jonathan Wells, Ph.D.

[Jeff Gordon]

Well, since you know the right way to creatio ex nihilo, why don't you do a demonstration?

Because I am not God nor do I play god as the authors of the bible did.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the links, dear sister in Christ!

[Fichori]

“Because I am not God nor do I play god as the authors of the bible did.”

So you're just jealous that God has the guts to claim to be God and you don't?

Or are you just mad because God could creatio ex nihilo and you can't?


Seriously, God said He is God and that He made everything, and you say that you aren't God and you didn't make anything.

Seems to me that you aren't really in any position to say He did it wrong ;-)


PS: hate to break it to you, but all documents allegedly created before you were born are fake. They were created to deceive you by the author. Sorry.

[Jeff Gordon]

So you're just jealous that God has the guts to claim to be God and you don't?

Nods and smiles.

[BlueDragon]

A competent god would have got it done in the first Planck Second and let his laws of physics take it from there.

Are you saying He did not, "get it right the first time" or are you saying that going by your own (limited) understanding of Him, that He, the Creator --- is incompetent???

haarump!

Go get your own dirt.

[Jeff Gordon]

I am saying the the Creationists' god is incompetent. He was not able to set some initial conditions for the universe and then let everything evolve from that. He had to design various forms of life and then put them onto the earth like animals into a zoo.

Note: The god of the Creationists is not to be confused with any real god. The Creationists god come from the imagination of some bronze age men who made up the biblical stories. The real God is a wonder to behold.

[BlueDragon]

The real God is a wonder to behold.

How would you know?

Here you say that the "creationist's God" is merely a product of the "imagination of some bronze age men who made up... stories."

Then you say that the "real" God is a wonder "to behold". Well then, what did He look like?

Or is it that you are substituting some vague conception of "God" to me here, that is much the product of your own imagination (and limited understanding)?

[Jeff Gordon]

All of our gods are figments of our imaginations. There is no way of knowing, really knowing, the characteristics of God. We imgaine our gods in our image and likeness

My God is smart enough to have created all that is and all that will be in the first Planck Second. My God is not the type of guy who orders the killing all the first born of a nation. My God is not the type of guy would require that his son be tortured to death. The mean, vicious god of the bible is not someone that I would even want to know.

[tpanther]

Your side, including you, demands to babble endlessly that God has nothing to do with it, has no place in science...blah blah blah.

Try again.

[tpanther]

All of our gods are figments of our imaginations. There is no way of knowing, really knowing, the characteristics of God. We imgaine our gods in our image and likeness

My God is smart enough to have created all that is and all that will be in the first Planck Second. My God is not the type of guy who orders the killing all the first born of a nation. My God is not the type of guy would require that his son be tortured to death. The mean, vicious god of the bible is not someone that I would even want to know.

I would suggest getting some help with reading comprehension. But seriously, how about a Christ-centered church to lend you a hand? If I were you, I wouldn't allow satan to play me like a fiddle like that.

[tpanther]

Why aren’t there giant animals flyng by now?

Because it was not in God's plan. The plan God had when he created all that is in the first Planck Second of this universe.

Thanks, but in all seriousness, we already knew evos didn't have a clue in the first place, even though they pretend as though somehow they DO have all the answers that no one else understands.

[metmom]

Thanks, but in all seriousness, we already knew evos didn't have a clue in the first place, even though they pretend as though somehow they DO have all the answers that no one else understands.

Even when they're not scientific answers.

You gotta love how evos posit all kinds of answers for things and when they can't give a *natural* explanation, they go on and explain how the God they deny as being relevant to science, did it.

[Jeff Gordon]

Your side, including you, demands to babble endlessly that God has nothing to do with it, has no place in science...blah blah blah.

Take another look. I have never said that God has nothing to do with it.

[Jeff Gordon]

If I were you, I wouldn't allow satan to play me like a fiddle like that.

If you were me you would not be fear mongering with this mythical Satan character.

[Jeff Gordon]

they pretend as though somehow they DO have all the answers that no one else understands.

Name one. Just one. Any one.

[Jeff Gordon]

they go on and explain how the God they deny as being relevant to science, did it.

Please play nice. You know very well that you and I are not talking about the same god. Being disingenuous does not further the debate.

[hinckley buzzard]

Science isn't stupid. Sience is simply a set of methods for investigating the world around us. This whole "debate"(sic) is becoming quite tiresome. No reasonable man would expect that Darwin, making the best guesses he could with 19th century knowledge, would have the final answers. Ditto Watson and Crick 40 years ago.

Studies of the physiology of the body shows plainly that there are inefficiencies and leftover adaptations which could have been designed better by a competent fluids engineer. So the probablility that pieces of DNA have been bypassed means little as to the ultimate question.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

Why aren’t there giant animals flyng by now?

Because it would violate various laws of physics. Actually, a giant flying animal would be a pretty good argument for creationism. Why aren't there any?

[tpanther]

pterodactyls...had a rather enormous wing span according to fossils, and yet evolution doesn’t, over ga-jillions of years, account for other equally larger animals flyng such as pterodactyls did, why is that?

[tpanther]

If I were you I’d get down on my knees, and be more humble, but in the end, you’re you, you’ll account for you, not me.