Posted on 06/07/2009 11:29:06 AM PDT by September
Both participants are equally guilty of the act. Treating them differently means you have no moral code.
Your vindictive and judgmental attitude is NOT shared by ANY of the mainstream prolife groups.
Why, because you happen to be a woman? And you're accusing me of being vindictive and judgmental?
Consequences for procuring abortion are deterrents against procuring abortion.
That is why there must be penalties in law for the women procuring the abortions.
wow...I see this thread brought back some old social moderates from the old days to opine..
You go ahead and have your war of words using reason and principles and let me know how far that gets you... (oh I forgot ,, 36 years and nothing to show for it because you’re playing against opponents that don’t follow your pitiful little rules... maybe your first clue should have been them using the supreme court to create law!)
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I don’t disagree with the principle you state about the Supreme Court making law, or about the travesty that Abortion is. Those who are pro-life don’t wantonly kill people without direct cause (self-defense or defense of one’s family/property) or UNTIL all LEGAL, or at least NON-LETHAL, NON-VIOLENT means have been exhausted.
Apparently some here have appointed themselves the judges of when this standard has been met. Sorry, I’m not God — and this fool (and others who murder as Tiller’s killer did) was not the equivalent of the Minutemen on the town greens at Lexington & Concord.
And perhaps you’re right — perhaps it’s best to distinguish between “Pro-Life” and “Anti-Abortion.” If that means that I prefer not to murder in order to temporarily halt abortions that will just be rescheduled for NEXT WEEK, then I’ll be PRO-LIFE. Others, driven by a right principle to act in a WRONG WAY, will allow their anger and frustration to overwhelm their sound judgment — and they will act rashly. Ultimately, the very cause they hope to bolster will gain popular sympathy and they will do FAR MORE HARM to the cause of ending abortion, both by making it a more popular, protected and available option, AND by bringing ALL those who oppose abortion under suspicion and persecution.
You may demean and belittle my “rules” (PRINCIPLES), but years after people who murder abortionists are imprisoned or executed, it will be those of us with PRINCIPLES who stand on the town greens — and if we are forced to pull the trigger, it will be based on those principles, not on some misguided, emotionally out-of-control vigilante act.
Murder is NOT a Pro-life value.
wow...I see this thread brought back some old social moderates from the old days to opine..
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To whom are you referring as “social moderates?”
If this is a reference to those of us who don’t think it is either moral or wise to create martyrs for the pro-aborts, then the definitions of a “social moderate” have been altered.
If one adopts this view, then, following that logic, Pro-lifers are as much enablers of abortion as are the women who seek abortion and the Tiller’s who provide it.
Does that mean if we resist efforts to murder abortionists, that WE will become the targets of “anti-abortionists” as well?!
This isn’t about principles — or about life — it’s about frustration and revenge....
Do you think Tiller was an "innocent life?"
Tiller is guilt of murder, just as any woman who has an abortion is guilty of murder. The question is, as I've stated earlier (and for those who outright approve, or even tacitly approve of his execution) where do you draw the line.
I haven't heard a reasonable response yet. Just noise.
And for those who seem to think that Roeder was acting in the service of God, then explain to me why someone would flee from an act they considered to be righteous, especially in the eyes of God.
Besides, even for a completely unjustified abortion for convenience only -— it is not wise to push the penalties on women.
Doctors should take the fall.
I am not at all alone on this point.
The most effective prolife organization, on legislative matters, is NRLC, and I am in agreement with NRLC.
KILL EVERY DAY, and it is very prolife when it protects the life of the innocent!
I do NOT advocate shooting abortion doctors.
I want such shooters prosecuted.
However, it is not my place to judge those shooters, morally.
I am not at all sure what God thinks of the shooters actions.
IT is not wise to put women in jail, for illegal abortions.
We should focus on the doctors who do illegal abortions.
The vast majority of prolife leaders agree with me.
Pull your head out of your butt. Any woman who is pregnant knows she has a life growing inside her. It is her responsibility as to what she does from that point forward, regardless of anything else. This attitude the woman is innocent in all this is simply insane....
Ya, well, when you've sacrificed your morals and respect for God, then everything else is meaningless....
Really?....then you stick with the wisdom of the pro life movement. I'll stick with Gods' wisdom...how's that....
You are a pompous man.
You really are NOT following the example of Christ, in any way shape or form.
Your worst sin is arrogance.
I have my sins, as well, but -— I am not calling others out for not following “God’s Law” as you have appointed unto yourself.
You are far too arrogant to be effective, in these matters.
I would add that the Catholic Church, the National Right to Life Committee, and SEVERAL prolife leaders have spoken out against putting post abortive women in jail, just as I have.
You have a right to YOUR opinion.
YOUR opinion is in the minority, among those who have worked on this issue.
You do NOT have the right to cast moral judgments against those of us who KNOW that your ideas will delay any chance we have of protecting innocent life.
Only if it was really the woman's choice.
There are too many stories about (especially) girls who have effectively been forced to have the abortions against their will by parents and boyfriends.
There are the stories of girls who have said they didn't want them while in the abortionists office and were still given them.
In those cases, I'd give the benefit of the doubt to the girls and the parents or boyfriends should be the ones complicate.
This coming from someone who publicly brags about his "sacrifices."
I have my sins, as well,
....As we all do
You really are NOT following the example of Christ, in any way shape or form.Your worst sin is arrogance.
Why, because I hold people accountable for their actions? How is recognizing murder on the part of the mother contrary to what Christ taught. In fact, since Christ taught that there is no distinction between intent, and the act itself, then surely you must feel compelled to advocate the execution of anyone who intends to perform abortions, regardless if they have yet done so.
I'll ask you the same question I asked Betty Boop.....where do you draw the line.
It is easy to see how a pregnant female could be confused and missinformed on the life gestating inside her body. The feminist have been layering lies on the issues for decades, evolving ever more sophisticated lies to fool women. But I will absolutely guarantee you that never has an abortionist not known what he or she is doing in the abortuary, that they are using thier skill to terminate human beings. Even the dead-soul Patricia Ireland has begun to openly admit the one being terminated in an abortion is a living human child, but the evil has grown so common that even that admission by a non-medical pusher of the slaughter gets no rise out of the media protecting the evil. In such an environment, it is easy to see how a pregnant, scared female can be totally confused and herded along to submit her child for killing in an abortuary. What is sad are the holier than thou posters who would ignore any of that and demand the extreme always be the rule ... they prevent progress in awakening the hearts and minds of those in confusion, and frankly I suspect they are doing so on purpose.
>> Murder is NOT a Pro-life value.
Some form of legal interdiction would have been enough to halt Tiller’s barbaric practice. But instead, an arbitrary act of unlawful violence terminated the process of abortion momentarily, in one particular location of many. How many unborn children have been saved because of this event? Perhaps none.
The only way to address the concern of reducing abortion is to do so through legal methods. The magnitude of abortion is not the result of one abortionist - its enormity is the consequence of a society that’s institutionalized the abortion process over decades. It is well structured, heavily funded, highly integrated, and protected by law.
Discourse and persuasion may be the best option for Life today. According to the recent data on abortion, for every person that advocates abortion, there’s one that advocates life.
How many murders are prevented when a scum murderer is executed or murdered by a fellow criminal? In each case--the scum criminal executed, the abortionist murdered--that murdering individual will murder no more, and that is all that may be reasonably drawn from such a thing.
It is non-related to ask if such a death prevents other killings done by other people not involved in the death of the object individual of the 'sequitur'.
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