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To: gscc

“You are going to, however, have to construct a better argument then you have to answer how soft tissue of any type can still be present over a period of 80 million years.”

Again, you are misrepresenting the research. They aren’t saying they have found “soft tissue”. They aren’t saying they know how apparent collagen fragments are preserved, and they also aren’t saying unequivocally that the samples were not contaminated.

However, they are saying that they don’t think they were contaminated.

Here’s another quote about your “blood vessels” from another related article posted here:

http://focus.hms.harvard.edu/2009/050109/tools_and_tech.shtml

“The microscope techniques revealed possible vestiges of bone cells, blood cells and vessels entwined within a fibrous structure that looked like collagen. Further analysis with antibodies confirmed there was collagen and other proteins mingling with those structures. “

You’ll note they aren’t saying “we found blood vessels” as you had claimed, and continue to claim.

This cutting-edge stuff - with plenty more research to come. You and the rest of your “creation science” prevaricators don’t have a prayer of actually understanding this research. That’s why you misrepresent it by saying that “soft tissue” was found - to make it seem like someone dug a fresh steak out of the ground.

Fortunately, I am completely objective, and am more than a few steps ahead of you in your argument. You have to make stuff up. I actually understand the research and am interested only in the facts coming out.

This is why there are more than a few dozen IQ points between the average “creation science” type, and folks who actually perform and/or understand this research.

Thank you for playing. You lost this round, but please feel free to try again.


240 posted on 06/14/2009 11:40:14 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

You quote a second hand source and I quote the collogen biochemist that did the research and he claims to have extracted “bone cells and blood vessels”. So you and your second hand sources know better then the Chief of the Division of Matrix Biology at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center that did the research.

“The results confirmed the existence of protein. “Because I am a collagen biochemist, our lab was contacted to perform an independent analysis of this new bone find,” explains Kalluri, who is Chief of the Division of Matrix Biology at BIDMC. “We isolated the proteins – collagen, laminin and elastin – from the bone, and also extracted bone cells and blood vessels from this sample. Our findings demonstrated that it did contain basement membrane matrix.”


241 posted on 06/14/2009 11:49:00 AM PDT by gscc
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