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To: goodusername; gscc; GodGunsGuts; tpanther
Also, most Christians are Darwinists, and most Darwinists are Christian.

I'm not so sure about that, that most Christians are Darwinists. Considering the numbers that keep showing up in polls, belief in creation is still ahead of belief in evolution.

And especially within the realm of scientists, the number of Christian Darwinists vastly outnumber the Creationists.

As a movement, Darwinism is atheistic. Darwins own works lend credence to that, as referred to in other posts GGG has posted.

Not all who ascribe to the ToE are atheists, but all atheists are, of necessity, evolutionists.

82 posted on 06/13/2009 11:04:19 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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“I’m not so sure about that, that most Christians are Darwinists. Considering the numbers that keep showing up in polls, belief in creation is still ahead of belief in evolution.”

—If we are talking about America, I would agree it’s a close call. Depending on who’s doing the poll (hard to say why, either bias of those doing the poll, or perhaps how the questions are worded) the percentage of those who espouse Creationism wavers between 40-60% (with it usually being closer to 40%).
But worldwide it looks like the number of Christian Darwinists have a large edge of Creationists.

“As a movement, Darwinism is atheistic. Darwins own works lend credence to that, as referred to in other posts GGG has posted.”

—I’m not familiar with that movement. Do you mean the effort to keep Creationism out of science class? Many of the top leaders of that movement are Christian - such as Kenneth Miller (who testified as the Dover trial), Keith Miller, and Francis Collins (who was head of the effort to sequence the human genome, and is currently probably the biggest opponent of DI).
Darwin was an atheist, but so what? It’s not as if Darwinism would be Buddhist if he happened to be Buddhist. One of the earliest Darwinists, and one of Darwin’s closest friends and confidants, and the leading Darwinist in America, was Asa Gray - and was a very open devout Christian.

“Not all who ascribe to the ToE are atheists, but all atheists are, of necessity, evolutionists.”

—I will admit that atheists who aren’t evolutionists are extremely rare (I have run into one or two over the years) - but you’ll much sooner find an atheist non-evolutionist than an atheist geocentrict. And geocentricists aren’t that rare - I’ve been to literally hundreds of geocentric websites (that was one of my favorite things to do upon first getting on the Internet) and there are geocentric organizations. And (AFAIK), they are ALL Creationists. I have never seen an atheist geocentricst.
(There’s almost nothing on the Internet that would shock me anymore - but an atheist arguing for geocentricism might still do it.)
Does this thus mean that heliocentricity is atheistic?


90 posted on 06/13/2009 11:34:27 AM PDT by goodusername
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