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To: jpsb

“The reports we are getting 7, 10 degrees F below normal are huge numbers. & and 10 degree temperature drops are way more then I would expect due to decreased sunspot activity.”

Well, remember the global mean is different than regional activity. I think the key things are that the temperature anomalies are to the low side, rather than to the up side. If global warming were happening, you’d expect the reverse.

It’s forecast to be 90 deg. here today, with a “feel” of 99 deg. About right for this time of year. A little cooling would be welcome!

The other thing to remember about all the late snowfall and precipitation is that both snow and clouds reflect a lot of energy back into space...which is a quite chaotic and non-linear effect. Cloud modeling in particular is a weak spot in the climate models:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/12/suggestions-of-strong-negative-cloud-feedbacks-in-a-warmer-climate/

That article is pretty technical, but there’s some good meat there. The short version is that in reality rising temperatures trigger more clouds, and negative temperature feedbacks, whereas the alarmist models use a positive feedback model (higher temperatures mean fewer clouds).

If that were the case, of course, it’s hard to see how the Earth returned from higher temperature regimes in the past.


42 posted on 06/15/2009 6:24:15 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty
"If global warming were happening, you’d expect the reverse."

Personally I am past the AGW argument, it is not happening. I have been telling folks for years (many many years) that mankind has far more to worry about with global cooling then global warming and that global cooling is far more likely then global warming.

The Global warming crowd has to go back 400 million years to find a single iffy case of run away warming. However one only has to go back 15,000 years to find a case of run away global cooling. Plus there are many instances of run a way cooling (ice ages) in the last few million years. Even a dumb ass like Al Gore should have been able to see that cooling is the far greater and far more likely threat.

We are 12,500 thousand years into an inter glacial that typically lasts 10 to 20 thousand years. So the next ice age is due any time now. The change from inter glacial to ice age happens very quickly. It is not a gradual temperature drop, it is a dramatic drop in temperature in a mere 10 years or so. Looking at the data, we might be in the first 2 or 3 years of a dramatic drop then again maybe not. I for one am paying attention.

43 posted on 06/15/2009 7:07:40 AM PDT by jpsb
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