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To: blackminorca
"That and the USS Liberty attack makes me question their committment to democracy as I cant imagine England or our other allies doing that."

Read your history. England earned the nickname "Perfidious Albion". And that was before they and France sold Checkoslovakia and Austria down the river before WWII. Nations have interests, not friends. We have (maybe had?) more interests in common with England than with other countries, and that's been true since WWI, but that doesn't mean that England doesn't continually weigh the costs of keeping the relationship.

Israel is committed to its own existence, which is required before it can worry about democracy. And if they feel they need to do something the US told them not to do, and they don't want the US to interfere, shooting up a spy ship seems a reasonable exercise of sovereignity. I'm not saying we shouldn't be upset about the USS Liberty, but we shouldn't also be asking that our supposed allies submit their life-and-death issues to our election cycles.

The interesting about the current anti-Nazi work in Germany and the Baltic nations, is that it's all targeted against non-Germans and non-Baltics. Germany won't deport Germans accused of being camp guards, but they will demand the extradition of Poles who survived the camps by acting as prison trustee. (That's not the phrase used in the camps, but I think it is the right concept). Shielding folks from corrupt courts is also a reasonable act of sovereignity. And if you shot everybody who fought for the Germans or for the Soviets, you'd have to shoot a whole generation in Eastern Europe.

32 posted on 06/15/2009 10:30:33 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: slowhandluke

“And if you shot everybody who fought for the Germans or for the Soviets, you’d have to shoot a whole generation in Eastern Europe.”

Thats a cop out - we have prosecuted 14000 plus Nazis and death camp guards (though we let the Jewish death camp guards go free) but not one Commie genocidal scum.

You know and I know that some of the worst live fat, dumb, and happy in Russia and Israel. We can never trust Russia but Israel should be more forthcoming.


43 posted on 06/15/2009 1:15:08 PM PDT by blackminorca
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