Posted on 06/15/2009 8:19:49 AM PDT by Man50D
Too bad those people aren’t aware that the constitution already provides for a “NRST” on imported goods, leaving goods made and bought in the USA, tax free. You know, makes America a tax free zone.
Tariffs.
Why people want to replace the income tax with a tax that taxes goods made and bought in the USA at the same rates as goods made and subsidized by Socialist/Communist countries is perplexing.
Then it wouldn't be the FairTax, and it wouldn't have the support of tax reformers. You're talking nonsense.
Otherwize a fair tax based solely on retail sales would have to significantly higher than the 57% range.
You're making stuff up. That's in addition to the fact that the rate doesn't say a thing about the advisability of implementing a NRST. It is only a commentary on spending. The FairTax does nothing but make that excessive spending visible to the America people. It uncovers what is now thoroughly hidden.
Yes - that's why you oppose the nrst for characteristics it does not have.
just because you don’t see a manufacturers tax doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
Well, there isn't any federal income or payroll taxes on manufacturers under the nrst. What invisible taxes are you "being realistic" about Nathan?
Just because you do see excise taxes doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
What????
Otherwize a fair tax based solely on retail sales would have to significantly higher than the 57% range.
No, sorry again. A revenue neutral rate using the Fair Tax base would be 23% tax inclusive - including paying for the rebate and paying individuals to remit the tax.
Under the current system, such foreign-made and subsidized goods have the advantage in our market, since they bear none of the burdens of our current incredibly stupid form of taxation. Conversely, under the FairTax, the current burdens would be removed from our producers, and foreign goods would finally be forced to bear the burden of taxation equally in our market. It's really very simple.
In addition, our goods would then be much more competitive in the world market as well.
“No matter how you slice it, income tax is a communist redistribution of wealth.”
Redistribution means that when I pay a disproportianately higher tax than you do for the intent of giving it to you, the wealth is “spread around” as Bammy likes to say, by a third party and without my willing participation. If I pay 10% and you pay 10% there is NO inequity.
People paying tolls to use roadways are being taxed; those who do not use them are not and that is inequity, if you are a passenger driving on the road I paid for.
Shared utilities, roads, military etc. need to be paid for...proportiantely. Sales Taxes allow the disparity to continue and also allow massive potential for cheating and will create a whole new level of beuracracy...I would be for it if there were no shared anything, but there is quite a lot we need to pay for as a society...the answer is to keep the flat rate low enough to cover only those shared necessities that are really required and not things like the Edward Kennedy Women’s Health Center...we really do need roads and I don’t want to have the tolls set by whoever buys up the highways or bridges...like they used to...and have confiscatory rates imposed...
well I don't like shooting myself in the foot either. I pay enough taxes as it is, I don't need to be paying more because *some* people can't think things through properly.
Carefull what you wish for, you just may get it.
I've been thinking this through for more than twenty years. From your posts, it doesn't appear that you've thought about these matters for even twenty minutes.
We all pay enough taxes as it is Nathan. Trust me, it is you who is ignorant of even the basic fundamentals here. Before you can begin “thinking it through” you need to have a basic understanding of the issue. You don’t.
Do a little reading/research, then think it through.
May I suggest you do a bit of study about how the FairTax bill reads? It is glaringly obvious that you haven’t done so.
How the HELL do you know? did the bill get passed? Were there any amendments to it?
Well, there isn't any federal income or payroll taxes on manufacturers under the nrst. What invisible taxes are you "being realistic" about Nathan?"
Again, how the HELL do you know? Has the bill been passed? were there any amendments to it?
Just because you don't see excise taxes doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
self explanatory.
"No, sorry again. A revenue neutral rate using the Fair Tax base would be 23% tax inclusive - including paying for the rebate and paying individuals to remit the tax."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh sure, the government is going to give up the 65 70% it rakes in from all sorces visible and hidden now for 23% sales tax on goods. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
dreamer, yes you are a dreamer, can you put your hands in your head Oh no!
“Paying a national sales tax will be proportionate to income since people, in general, only purchase what they can afford.”
I am sorry, but that is a deeply flawed premise. You must know that. Let’s just agree to disagree.
I can’t comment on the “bad example” of the highway and other shared socital needs because I did not understand the point. It is incoceivable to me that there will be nobody in America that does not use public roads directly or indirectly (postal delivery or ups, groceries, the septic pump truck, going to get help for someone who is sick, ambulance, etc.) the differences in how they are paid are not the question, the means of paying are the question.
I don’t think you know what a tax base is, do you?
Look into it. You’ll be glad I recommended it. Then maybe you’ll understand how the tax works.
If you want to look at the bill, it is available online. If you would like to make up your own bill in your “being realistic” mind, knock yourself out.
BTW I know what characteristics the bill has. You don’t.
it won't.
It never ceases to amaze me the number of people, including the president’s commission, who absolutely refuse to discuss the FairTax legislation as written! Why is that? What are they so afraid of?
It also amazes me the number of supposedly conservative, freedom loving, individuals who do not seem to recognize what we are actually talking about here.
What we are really talking about is trading in a tax system that requires the state to know all manner of personal information that they otherwise have no business knowing for it’s operation for a system that would require the state to know not even so much as one’s name for it’s operation! That’s all and nothing more. Seems an easy decision for those who actually do love F R E E D O M ! ! !
Do you have a copy of how it reads if and when it is passed and what amendments there are? No? Didn't think so.
Again, you’re either confused or lying. The current income tax system is predominantly hidden. The FairTax rate has nothing whatsoever to do with whether it is a much wiser way to collect taxes. It would simply make visible the massive government spending that is now carefully masked from view.
Like most folks who are ignorant of the particulars of this debate, you conflate spending and taxation, comparing apples with oranges.
Did you ever think it's because they don't like the way it's written?
Exactly why I have to keep pounding into fair tax fans thick skulls that it will NEVER be passed without drastic amendments to include other levels/areas of taxation, which this proposal completely ignores.
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