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To: rbmillerjr

Have you convenient forgotten the USS Liberty that Israel intentially attacked at the loss of, I think, around 130 US sailors?

Ally it is not. If it weren’t for our many billions of dollars and our support at the UN, for example, I really doubt that Israel would give us time of day. They were proxies in the Middle East during the Cold War but that is long past. Today, they offer nothing but headaches.


22 posted on 06/18/2009 10:52:55 AM PDT by Matthew Weaver (America First.)
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To: Matthew Weaver

“USS Liberty that Israel intentially attacked at the loss of, I think, around 130 US sailors?”

I have problems with that incident. Whether it was intentional or not is absolutely up for debate (and let’s not go down that road on this road). Iran has been fomenting terrorism against Israel and the US since the Islamic Rev in 1979. These are purposeful attacks on Americans that are consistent since the Revolution and have killed many Americans including the Beirut bombing for one.

“I really doubt that Israel would give us time of day. They were proxies in the Middle East during the Cold War but that is long past. Today, they offer nothing but headaches.”

That is an opinion. But the facts are that the US and Israel are defacto allies, with like Western cultures being shared....democracy, constitutional government, free markets, Judeo-Christian, enemies and victims of terrorism etc. If you read any Diplomatic History book you’ll find the history of the nations is a positive one with some shared foreign policy goals.

They are clearly our only true ally in an area that is important for economic and political reasons.


23 posted on 06/18/2009 11:04:59 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("We Are All Socialists Now"........not me, not now, not ever)
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To: Matthew Weaver
Have you convenient forgotten the USS Liberty that Israel intentially attacked at the loss of, I think, around 130 US sailors?

And you seem to think taht
1. In this middle of a war with 9 Arab countries backed buy the USSR Israel decided to fight America.
2. Israel felt the need to do so, even though it knew it controlled America enough that their would be no retaliation.
The alternative is taht this was a misidentification, you know the type of thing that occurs in war. Except in the minds of the conspiracy set that fantasize about perfect knowledge and see all results as intentional.

. If it weren’t for our many billions of dollars and our support at the UN, for example, I really doubt that Israel would give us time of day
The fact that there are about as many Jews in America as Israel and millions of Christians visit Israel suggests that you are speaking out of your behind.

Today, they offer nothing but headaches.
Today Israel, tomorrow Eruope, in 50 years New Jersey. I suppose you think that Mohammed's call for world conquest ins a Zionist fantasy.

29 posted on 06/18/2009 5:04:32 PM PDT by rmlew ( The SAVE and GIVE acts are institutioning Corvee. Where's the outtrage!)
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