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Radiometric Dating: Back to Basics (does it really prove the Earth is millions of years old?)
Answers Magazine ^ | June 17, 2009 | Andrew A. Snelling, Ph.D.

Posted on 06/18/2009 8:48:47 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: Buck W.

No. In fact, as to the scientific discussion of origins, I don’t see how one’s religion can really make any difference.

And just so it is clear, when I use the term “self-professed” as to your religion, I am in NO WAY suggesting I don’t believe your profession. I just try very studiously NOT to make a direct claim about someone else’s true religion, as I have no idea what the case is for other people. So “self-professed” is simply my way of saying that it is not MY opinion, but the opinion of the person I am referencing.

And I apologize that the use of the phrase in this context could well have been read to be doubting your profession.


121 posted on 06/18/2009 11:44:52 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Buck W.

algore and your other liberal friends are “creation rationalizers”?

WHO KNEW!


122 posted on 06/18/2009 11:45:55 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Yes, and on that matter, if you don’t believe those things it would make sense to ignore them when discussing radiological dating.

If you make your case based on them, you're pretty well resticted to making that case to people who already share those beliefs.

123 posted on 06/18/2009 11:45:57 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I took it no such way, and I appreciate your concern about it.

Regarding the original point, I’m glad that you did not respond in the affirmative. In fact, I might conjecture that professed Christianity actually further detracts from the YEC position.


124 posted on 06/18/2009 11:48:03 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: tpanther

Thank you—have a nice day.


125 posted on 06/18/2009 11:49:08 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: pctech

Are you saying that most people don’t believe that Man walked with T. rex until the Flood killed all the dinosaurs a few thousand years ago?


126 posted on 06/18/2009 11:52:18 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: Buck W.
"It’s a legitimate question, and I’m curious as to your position. Posters here have asserted that decay rates have changed over time. If decay rates can change, can the principles of QM also change?"

Which ones?

127 posted on 06/18/2009 11:52:32 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: count-your-change

> Heart surgery and strawberry farming......amazing.

To give him the benefit of the doubt, I believe he was trying to say that they are like apples and oranges.

To Buck, Evolution is “Science”, and that’s a completely different and separate thing from “Religion”.

In 6th grade, they started teaching us about Evolutionism in the “Public School”. I asked the teacher why they were teaching us that “God created” in Sunday school.

Her response was, “That’s Religion, and this is Science.”

Like Buck, I bought that argument for a long time. However, once I gave my life to Christ, I had to find the real answers to origins.

I was a Christian grappling with incongruities of Theistic Evolution and Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross and the defeat of Death and Sin, when a friend called me and said he had something to show me. It was a presentation on Creation science. As I watched it, I got angrier and angrier. Not at the presentation, but at the outright LIES and OMISSIONS my teachers and professors and the prevailing culture impressed upon me over the years.

It wasn’t long before I was able to jettison the silly superstition of Evolutionism and rely COMPLETELY upon God and His Word.


128 posted on 06/18/2009 11:53:44 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: tacticalogic
"What says that the energy output of radiometric decay varies while the observed decay rate remains constant?"

What says that the energy output of radiometric decay is constant?

129 posted on 06/18/2009 11:54:05 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Buck W.

Shall I pull up your statements and repost them?

You made the assertion that Evoution and Christianity were compatible but yet when asked repeatedly about how that is so you gave me the example of heart surgery and strawberry farming being a perfect fit. Is there something I’ve left out?

Here is what was said:

“Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:51:59 PM · 109 of 143
Buck W. to count-your-change
They don’t contradict! Why do you insist on maintaining this juvenile line of inquiry (or should I say inquisition)? Heart surgery and strawberry farming fit together perfectly as well simply because they don’t contradict!”


130 posted on 06/18/2009 11:55:11 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Not really, you just posted enough to support my point. Thanks!
Yes, there’s no risk of brilliance here...


131 posted on 06/18/2009 12:07:27 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.; Westbrook; GodGunsGuts; metmom
Then my work here is done.

More like piece of work, and over-done.

132 posted on 06/18/2009 12:13:20 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Westbrook

“Oh, and while I tried to engage you without deprecating your faith or disparaging your intelligence, your responses have been condescending and smarmy. Really “Christian” of you.”

Your original post pushed all of my buttons at the same time. Upon official review (and I am allowed two this half by league rules), I concur that my reaction was excessive. My apologies.


133 posted on 06/18/2009 12:14:45 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Westbrook
When someone says that Darwinism and Scripture are not contradictory it always means the Scriptures must be “allegory, and metaphor” in a sense that agrees with or allows for Darwinism to stand untouched and pristine.

How Romans 5:19 could be, “For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”, allergorized to be a ‘perfect fit or compatible’ with Darwinism, I have yet to hear.

And asking doesn't garner explanation but name calling for asking.

134 posted on 06/18/2009 12:21:45 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The evolutionists show up and discuss religion. I’m beginning to think the point isn’t so much to refute the claims as it is to ensure that no discussion of the problems of evolution takes place without dragging religion into it, to keep up the fiction that they only reason anybody doesn’t believe in evolution is their religious convictions, and that there are only religious arguments to be made.

Exactly, but I will submit they don't discuss at all, but rather project and offer endless strawmen and repeat debunked lies over and over. It's cultlike frankly.

But yeah, they automatically attack any and every examination of so-called peer reviewed evolution as being religious attacks on science and then project. Rinse and repeat.

That's in essence the evo/liberal position.

135 posted on 06/18/2009 12:24:51 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Buck W.

No need to apologize, but you reveal yourself as a gentleman and a Christian for having done so.

I was probably being oversensitive, anyway. As you can imagine, I catch a lot of flack for my position, most of it riducule and condescension. “You must believe the earth is flat, too! Haw! Haw! Haw!”

It does get a bit tiresome.

But, you are obviously not one of those.


136 posted on 06/18/2009 12:25:11 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Buck W.
I don't need brilliance just an answer to the simple question of how your assertion that evolution and Christianity are, in your words, a “perfect fit” and “compatible”.

You've termed me “disingenuous” and my inquiry “juvenile”, yet I've only asked, with politeness, ‘how so?’

So please, How is evolution and Christianity “compatible”?

137 posted on 06/18/2009 12:31:23 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

You posted my answer. I’m sorry that you don’t understand, even though an impartial third party has explained it to you.

Your persistence across unrelated threads can be construed as stalking. That’s not your intent, is it?


138 posted on 06/18/2009 12:37:20 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.
Thank God real science is taught in public school.

Where' it's "settled" and "the debate is over" huh? Like algore and chrissy-fit matthews tell you?

139 posted on 06/18/2009 12:38:18 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: calex59

Good point...you’d think for all the hollering liberals do on here about earth age, if they spent 1/100th of their energies on algore and what’s really hurting science,
everyone would be better off.

But it’s not about the science for liberals. It never was.


140 posted on 06/18/2009 12:40:57 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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