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Proposed federal law would be a hate crime against America
One News Now ^ | 6/26/2009 | Robert Knight

Posted on 06/26/2009 1:49:50 PM PDT by IbJensen

"We're not going to win this case, but that's okay. Once we get 'hate crime' laws on the books, we're going to go after the Scouts and all the other bigots."

This was a remark made in the gallery by the Clinton White House liaison for "gay" issues during U.S. Supreme Court hearings on the Boy Scouts case in 2000. She had whispered it to the Rev. Rob Schenck, whom she mistakenly thought was one of those liberal clerics who think God is still making up His mind about sexual morality.

The point is that the proposed federal "hate crime" law before the Senate is less about righting wrongs than it is about elevating sexual preferences -- all of them -- to civil rights status so they can be used as a battering ram against people with traditional values.

"Hate crime" laws ensure unequal justice. They empower some groups of victims at the expense of others. A grandma using an ATM machine should have as much protection under the law as a man walking out of a "gay" bar. But under the proposed federal "hate crimes" law, an assailant of a man perceived as homosexual would face greater penalties than grandma's mugger.

Yesterday (Thursday, June 25), the Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing on the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act (S. 909), which passed the House on April 29 in a largely partisan vote of 249 to 175, with 10 abstentions.

Named after the Wyoming college student beaten to death in 1998 and whose killers received the maximum in a state without a hate crimes law, S. 909 is not only unnecessary but poses an acute threat to constitutional civil rights. It's a massive federal power grab over state criminal law, giving the attorney general's office the power to intervene into a "hate crime" case whenever they feel it is necessary.

It would add "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" to a list of specially protected classes such as race, ethnicity, sex and religion. If this bill passes, the Congress of the United States will be officially creating a new civil rights category based on sexual confusion. Like "sexual orientation," "gender identity" is infinitely flexible, and includes transvestitism (cross-dressing) and transsexualism (believing that one is in the wrong sex's body and sometimes surgically changing one's sex organs). In the House version, an effort to amend the bill to exclude "pedophilia" was defeated in committee along party lines. Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) even read a partial list of paraphilias from the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, including pedophilia, and declared that "all of these philias and fetishes and isms that were put forward – need not live in fear because of who they are."

This is why some of the bill's opponents call it the "Pedophile Protection Act."

Here's how the law would work in practice: It would add penalties on top of those levied for criminal convictions, based on the perpetrators' perceived beliefs or the victims' group identification. In order to prove that the defendant holds particular beliefs, his or her speech, writing, reading materials and organizational memberships would become key evidence. "Have you now, or have you ever been involved with a homophobic organization (like, say, Catholic Charities)?"

Two paragraphs were inserted to mollify such concerns:

(3) CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS - Nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit any constitutionally protected speech, expressive conduct or activities (regardless of whether compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief), including the exercise of religion protected by the First Amendment and peaceful picketing or demonstration. The Constitution does not protect speech, conduct or activities consisting of planning for, conspiring to commit, or committing an act of violence.

(4) "FREE EXPRESSION - Nothing in this Act shall be construed to allow prosecution based solely upon an individual's expression of racial, religious, political, or other beliefs or solely upon an individual's membership in a group advocating or espousing such beliefs."

But American Civil Rights Union (ACRU) attorney John Armor notes: "This is a head fake for citizens who don't understand freedom of speech protections."

Ken Klukowski, an ACRU senior legal analyst, explains, "Paragraph (3) is only a statement of the obvious, so it has no legal effect. No statute can abridge constitutionally-protected speech. If any speech is burdened, and the speaker files suit, then the process and the result is the same regardless of whether there is any paragraph such as (3). The court then looks to the speech in question, the nature of the burden on that speech, and what protection the First Amendment extends to that particular speech. The court does not look to language such as (3) in deciding the case. If the burden in the specific case is unconstitutional, then it's impermissible whether the statute acknowledges the fact or not. So (3) is just there to help pass the bill by giving people a talking point to say 'this law does nothing to violate anyone's free speech rights.' It makes no difference in court whatsoever."

The bill also would create a federal slush fund for hate crime prevention programs at the state and local levels, including school programs that equate traditional morality with "bigotry." The Justice Department's "hate crime" section relies on material from groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center, which lumps legitimate conservative and Christian organizations with "hate groups."

Besides its threats to basic freedoms, the law is unnecessary. America is not awash in an epidemic of hate crimes, which constitute a microscopic portion of the more than 11 million crimes reported in the United States annually. In the latest crime report released in October 2008 by the U.S. Justice Department for 2007, nearly 80 percent of the 7,624 incidents of "hate crimes" listed in "crimes against persons" involved "intimidation" (47.4 percent) or "simple assault" (31.1 percent), which could involve nothing more than words.

The proposed federal hate crime law, like all hate crime laws, politicizes crime, leading to pressure on police and prosecutors to devote more of their limited resources to certain victims at the expense of others. For example, homosexual activist groups descended on Wyoming and created a media circus around the Matthew Shepard case, costing the state heavily for public relations. Meanwhile, the story of Kristin Lamb, an eight-year-old girl who a month before Shepard's death was killed in Wyoming and her body thrown into a landfill, received virtually no news coverage or concerns about a possible "hate crime."

Hate crime laws lay the groundwork for assaults on freedom of speech and freedom of religion. In Canada, Great Britain, and Sweden, clergy have been investigated and arrested for advocating traditional morality.

"Hate crime" laws are already being used to silence people in the United States. A pastor in New York's Staten Island saw two billboards with a Bible verse on them taken down in 2000 under pressure from city officials, who cited "hate crime" rhetoric.

In Philadelphia, 11 Christians were arrested and jailed overnight for singing and preaching in a public park at a homosexual street festival in 2004. Five of them were bound over and charged with five felonies and three misdemeanors, totaling a possible 47 years in jail. These charges, based on Pennsylvania's "hate crimes" law, hung over them for months until a judge finally dismissed them.

Freedom-loving Americans deplore any violence against innocent victims (including homosexuals), but strongly oppose "hate crime" laws as unjust and dangerous.

All people deserve impartial justice under the 14th Amendment's guarantee of equal protection under the law. The proposed federal hate crime law imperils that cherished right on many levels.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; antichristian; cultureofcorruption; gaystapotactics; hatecrimes; hatecrimeslaw; homosexualagenda; lavendermafia; pedestalforperverts; sexpositiveagenda; stalinisttactics; thoughtpolice
In Philadelphia, 11 Christians were arrested and jailed overnight for singing and preaching in a public park at a homosexual street festival in 2004.

When is enough enough?

Congress hasn't represented their respective states for decades. Long past time to clean both houses of the imbeciles.

1 posted on 06/26/2009 1:49:50 PM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

“We’re not going to win this case, but that’s okay. Once we get ‘hate crime’ laws on the books, we’re going to go after the Scouts and all the other bigots.”

I don’t exactly understand why hate crime legislation would cancel out the first amendment. Amendments are more powerful than bills. But there has to be someone to enforce them, I guess.


2 posted on 06/26/2009 1:53:13 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: IbJensen

If they can “go after the scouts” they can go after any church or any family that doesn’t satisfy their agenda to not just normalize, but to elevate, the unnatural.


3 posted on 06/26/2009 1:53:26 PM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: IbJensen
From tolerance to understanding to acceptance to forced indoctrination...
4 posted on 06/26/2009 1:54:32 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: IbJensen
"We're not going to win this case, but that's okay. Once we get 'hate crime' laws on the books, we're going to go after the Scouts and all the other bigots."

The same "hate crimes laws" could be used against the Gaystapo thugs who vandalized churches and assaulted people who voted and funded and supported Prop 8.

This isn't about tolerance and diversity, it is about silencing dissent from the liberal point of view.

5 posted on 06/26/2009 1:55:54 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: IbJensen

Sure is a hate crime...a hating of a free Constitutional Republic. Not to mention our sacred bill of rights.


6 posted on 06/26/2009 1:56:50 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: Tublecane
I'm amazed that these cretins can make such statements with a straight face - “. . . and all other bigots”!!!! That is one of the most bigoted statements that can be made IMHO.
7 posted on 06/26/2009 1:58:17 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: SoldierDad

I recommend these cretins for public flogging.


8 posted on 06/26/2009 2:00:44 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: darkangel82

May I administer the lashes?


9 posted on 06/26/2009 2:04:41 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: IbJensen

Hang on a second...

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Maybe it could work??? /bigtimesarc

Just this once...Then be recinded??? Maybe???

Just shootin’ from the hip here...;-)


10 posted on 06/26/2009 2:10:58 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: darkangel82; SoldierDad
>>>I recommend these cretins for public flogging. <<<

Better watch it! This is in one of their clauses.....

The Constitution does not protect speech, conduct or activities consisting of planning for, conspiring to commit, or committing an act of violence.

>>>May I administer the lashes?<<<

After I dip them in tar and roll them in feathers!!

Don't get you panties in a wad Janet - that's not violent or a terrorist act. It's just freedom speaking.

11 posted on 06/26/2009 2:37:01 PM PDT by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: IbJensen; RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...
ACLU is at it again -- Attacking Scouts


12 posted on 06/26/2009 5:55:27 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: 2banana
From tolerance to understanding to acceptance to forced indoctrination extinction......
13 posted on 06/26/2009 6:29:42 PM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: IbJensen

People this is exactly what they plan its in their books in their own words. They plan to hammer us into submission. They plan to brainwash our kids, they are already brainwashing the populace with gay this and gay that edited to present homosexuals not just as harmless but even superior to the typical heterosexual male. I mean geesh they can do ladies hair, sing sweetly, and sew nice dresses for the ladies. If only we’d had solid obscenity laws homosexuality would never have gotten out of the closet. Now we are marching toward a day on social, economic, and security fronts where we will be trust into a conflagration. The left think they have won. They are wrong.


14 posted on 06/27/2009 1:54:15 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Sarah Palin 2012 (Who else in the GOP is man enough?))
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To: Tublecane

Its not going to “cancel out” the first amendment; its going strangle it by removing tax exemptions for churches or charities that don’t cater to perverts. Its going to destroy the scout’s access to “public” (government) lands and venues. It is also going to make discretion (keeping homosexuals away from boys and young men) unlawful.


15 posted on 06/27/2009 2:01:40 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: HardStarboard

“The Constitution does not protect speech, conduct or activities consisting of planning for, conspiring to commit, or committing an act of violence”

There are already laws on the books covering what constitutes conspiracy. Don’t see how hate legislation could add to that, unless they start arguing that hate-chat builds up an aura of un-loving-ness that might possibly lead to violence some time in the near or distant future. Is anyone stupid enough to believe that?


16 posted on 06/27/2009 2:08:47 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Little Ray

“It is also going to make discretion (keeping homosexuals away from boys and young men) unlawful.”

Isn’t this covered by SCOTUS case law? Why would they reverse themselves because of some silly little law?


17 posted on 06/27/2009 2:10:48 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Maelstorm
It's interesting how they use homosexuals to condition the populace to the fact that they're really nice people and belong around adults, but more importantly around lots of kids.

It's actions like this from the worthless central government progressive communists that get us so damned confused we come to realize that we don't know our rulers at all.

Then, when their power is consolidated and they have us by the throats and short hairs and the feckless homos have served their purpose, the leaders will begin eliminating them as the nazis and the U.S.S.R. did. You can't have a controllable populace with some of the 'citizenry' sticking their pee-pees up others' poo- poos in order to achieve filthy organisms. Proper procreation is necessary to advancing the zombies who will fill the millions of new government jobs.

If anyone thinks that waterboarding is torture, just wait until the America's KGB begins plucking eyeballs and fingernails.

18 posted on 06/28/2009 4:40:15 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholics voted based upon the teachings of the church, there would be no abortion and no Obomba.)
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To: a fool in paradise
The same "hate crimes laws" could be used against the Gaystapo thugs who vandalized churches and assaulted people who voted and funded and supported Prop 8.

I doubt it. Where on the list of protected classes do Christians fall?

19 posted on 06/30/2009 12:46:11 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF

It falls under race, creed, or color. Minority/majority status is not a factor.


20 posted on 06/30/2009 12:47:40 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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