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Carbongate (Obama's EPA Cover-up)
IBD Editorials ^ | June 26, 2009 | Investor's Business Daily

Posted on 06/26/2009 6:07:35 PM PDT by WhiteCastle

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To: cogitator
Ridiculous. It's just interannual variability

Why is it when local temperatures go up in June, people like you call it an irreversible trend.

But when average global temperatures fall for eight straight years, people like you call it "interannual variability".

51 posted on 06/28/2009 3:23:01 PM PDT by been_lurking
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To: PreciousLiberty

“Any kind of drop in temperature over the next couple decades is completely unexpected by the global warming community, and such a drop will torpedo their theory. Really, the current drop in temperatures since 1998 should be enough to cancel any global warming based policy, in a sane world.”

Good points. Keep it up. As hoaxes go, this one’s in contention for big time. Others getting some light shed on them, too.


52 posted on 06/28/2009 6:09:32 PM PDT by corvus
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To: Munz

>Every last one of them who voted for it should be tared and feathered.

Agreed.

>Talk about being lead around by the nose.

Maybe that’s “being led around by the noose.”


53 posted on 06/28/2009 8:14:02 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Karliner

Thanks for the links to good songs.


54 posted on 06/28/2009 8:20:41 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SaltyJoe
... The answer is too simple, yet it explains our human weakness thoroughly: because we want to get high, get laid, and have a slave do the hard work while we parasite off the weak

You got a mouse in your pocket, or was that a "royal" we?

We are seeing the results of school integration, and the degradation of our youth. Not to sound totally racist (maybe just 99% or less), but the hood got expanded, and the lagging black students were used as an excuse to dumb down the rest of the kids. Look at the public school results from todays classes. We do a good job with "feelings", though.

Now, we import Indian (dots, not feathers) engineers, and travel there for medical procedures on the cheap, because many are better trained than ours, yet work cheaper at home. We are getting dumber students yearly, with higher union costs attached. We use Latino invaders to sweep our floors and paint our houses, and our Pols reward them with our kids piggy banks.

Our manufacturing base was decades old when WW2 came along, and we built cheap places to build stuff, and cheap ways to get it there. Following that war, we spent OUR money to rebuild our enemies factories with modern stuff... hmmmm

China is playing the same game it always has. It will probably be doing it tomorrow. I can't say the same for Amerika!

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The Art of War (excerpt) by General Sun Tzu (attributed):

18. All warfare is based on deception.

19. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.

20. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.

21. If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him.

22. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.

23. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.

24. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

25. These military devices, leading to victory, must not be divulged beforehand.

26. Now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought. The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose...(complete translation)


55 posted on 06/28/2009 9:11:48 PM PDT by WVKayaker (Words are plentiful, but deeds are precious.- Lech Walesa)
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To: OneWingedShark

You’re welcome. I really can’t contribute to some of these threads as it all makes me so angry( Or I’m just not smart enough to understand all of it) so I listen to old music that has a calming affect for awhile...glad you enjoyed.


56 posted on 06/28/2009 10:22:37 PM PDT by Karliner (Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before. DDE)
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To: broken_arrow1

It has nothing to do with science or logic. The bill’s purpose is to cede sovereignty to the United Nations. Read it. It cites the United Nations 22 times and gives authority over the Sec. of State and the Sec, of Energy to the United Nations and it’s numerous councils, especially when it comes to creating regulations on the American people, setting fees and setting fines.

Apparently no one in the press has read it, or they are perfectly in agreement that the United Nations should have control over the executive branch appointees of our government.


57 posted on 06/28/2009 10:30:38 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: WhiteCastle

bump


58 posted on 06/29/2009 6:01:00 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: corvus; All; Admin Moderator

[I’ve been trying to post a new thread, but I think my posting privileges have been revoked...? Mods, help!]

“Good points. Keep it up. As hoaxes go, this one’s in contntion for big time. Others getting some light shed on them, too.”

I’ve been watching Fox News this morning, and the bill will definitely die!

Check it out:

Inhofe on Fox Live Now: Cap and Trade DOA “I’m kind of rejoicing”
Fox News ^ | 6/29/2009 | Self
Posted on June 29, 2009 10:48:52 AM EDT by PreciousLiberty

Inhofe just interviewed live on Fox. Fox is running with the suppressed EPA report challanging manmade global warming as a major story. Inhofe says the Cap and Trade bill is “DOA” in the Senate. There will be an investigation into the EPA suppressing valid science. He said “I’m kind of rejoicing”, and that he’s finally vindicated after years of pointing out the poor science.

The Fox anchor: “This is huge!”

Victory!!!


59 posted on 06/29/2009 7:56:05 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: OneWingedShark

>Maybe that’s “being led around by the noose.”<

Although I suspect you are right, they should seethe big picture now.
Going against that sort of thing and being very open and public about it can only help them and not hinder them.
But i suspect it is much like a sex crime where a person is violated. They later are afraid to talk about it for fear that they will be considered the wrong one in the whole ordeal.
When in fact, people do understand and they can get help.

This of course being not equally as horrible for the politician as a victim of a crime, and something that they should be more open about because they really have no excuse not to be when it is us that they serve, not Pelosi or Obama.


60 posted on 06/29/2009 11:25:33 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: SaltyJoe
Democrats won't pay the national debt and would rather engage in a global world war rather than pay the deficit.

I have an obscure fascinating book titled "You Can't Do Business With Hitler" - written by a German businessman shortly before WWII. In it he details the profound depths of German national debt and the intricate convolutions implemented to cover it up*, and observes that the only way out of such a situation would be a global-scale war - which, obviously, happened.

National bankruptcy is always resolved in a manner which is never pretty; hyperinflation or war, pick one.

(* - One scheme that sticks with me was negotations to pay large-scale debts to Brazil with delivery of train engines, which would take so long to deliver that once the recipients discovered they were junk the issue wouldn't matter to whoever negotiated the deal.)

61 posted on 06/29/2009 11:48:54 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: WVKayaker

Winning photo!


62 posted on 06/29/2009 11:51:52 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
A while back they issued a correction -- the warmest year was in the 1930s (1934 I believe).

It's interesting how many "errors" are made by the side arguing there IS/WAS global warming (e.g., the hottest year, accidently using september data for october). Further, the errors are not random, but always in the direction of favoring the "consensus" theory.

Call me a naive falsificationist, but this has a distinct, and unpleasant, odor about it.

63 posted on 07/02/2009 7:57:17 AM PDT by DrNo ("Facts are stubborn things..." John Adams)
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To: DrNo

“A while back they issued a correction — the warmest year was in the 1930s (1934 I believe).”

Yes, for the US. 1998 remains warmest for the globe.

“Call me a naive falsificationist, but this has a distinct, and unpleasant, odor about it.”

Sure does.


64 posted on 07/02/2009 9:57:01 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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