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Reuters ^ | 06/28/09

Posted on 06/28/2009 2:24:05 PM PDT by Mmogamer

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To: livius

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw


61 posted on 06/28/2009 4:18:12 PM PDT by danamco
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To: Mmogamer
Senior U.S. official says the Obama administration sees Zelaya as the only constitutional president of Honduras after coup.

I hate to break it to the great delusional Hussein, but--- the ultimate Constitutional expressions in any nominal representative democracy are the actions of its people, its supreme court and its military; rising up against that most perverted move by most totalitarians --- president for life!

That is not the modification of a Constitution. It is the shredding of it.

That might be OK with Baraq Hussein, but the very notion revolts me.

62 posted on 06/28/2009 4:21:29 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: rvoitier
The proper name of that country is, and has always been, Colombia.

Two "O"s

63 posted on 06/28/2009 4:29:34 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: fso301

Jimmy Carter - Passive Agressive Poster Boy.


64 posted on 06/28/2009 4:41:51 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cripplecreek
Not only the army but the Honduran supreme court, congress and constitution.

Same thing happened in Chile, when the SC, the Congress, and the Constitution called Pinochet to oust Allende. The Obamassiah and his ilk never accepted that action by Pinochet, even though the vast majority of Chileans did (and welcomed it).

He'll support the Marxist every time over the rule of law, because "it'll spread the wealth around"...

65 posted on 06/28/2009 4:47:29 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
Socialists hang together.

If only..

66 posted on 06/28/2009 5:33:31 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: Mmogamer

O is a traitor.


67 posted on 06/28/2009 5:35:33 PM PDT by dforest (Anyone dumb enough to have voted for him deserves what they get.. No Pity!)
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To: Chickensoup
Our Army is not the "protector of the state/protector of the Constitution" like the one in Honduras (and most other Latin countries).

However, our MILITIA is and always has been. George Mason thought of the militia as being the whole body of the people.

Notice that Obama didn't also note that the Honduran Supreme Court ruled the President out of order and asked the Army to intervene.

He doesn't want our Supreme Court to start getting ideas ~ particularly like they did back when Roosevelt found his National Recovery Act tossed in the dumper.

68 posted on 06/28/2009 5:53:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: driftdiver
I heard BO changed that, to include the President.

Nope. That was a lousy rumor.

69 posted on 06/28/2009 5:57:04 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: Chickensoup

Since you asked, I assume you already know.


70 posted on 06/28/2009 5:57:37 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: livius
He violated the Constitution and that’s why they removed him.

Bambi’s just looking ahead and he’s scared.

We need just one honest judge.

71 posted on 06/28/2009 6:12:44 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: CheneyChick

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-286803
What we Hondurans want

Posted by: rschenkel // 3 minutes ago // viewed 3 times
San Pedro Sula, Honduras // embed media
I write this report to try to explain the situation from my point of view, and try to clear the scenario for as many international eyes and ears as possible.

Mr. Zelaya was elected president of Honduras through popular election on November 2005, for the 2006-2009 period. He was elected on a narrow margin, mostly due to the ruling party’s candidate desire to push for the death penalty in our country, which is not allowed in our law. We are a peaceful and tame people, and do not like such drastic penalties.

Mr. Zelaya was elected because he opposed death penalty, and he promised to continue his party’s work on improving the situation on our country’s education, health and social situation, while promoting democracy and swearing to protect our Constitution. He also promoted a so called “Citizen’s power”, which was supposed to be a channel for the people to express their thoughts to the government.

In the first 2 years of his term, he seemed to be trying to fulfill his promises, but then we see him starting to engage in relations with Venezuela’s leftist president Hugo Chavez, which per se is not a bad thing, but he starts to support his ideologies.

This is where Mr. Zelaya stabbed the Honduran people in the back. He makes an unpredicted turn to the left, which the majority of the population is against, but nevertheless, he goes on with the integration of Honduras to the ALBA, Hugo Chavez’s initiative, which has caused nothing but civil unrest on countries that have joined. This mostly motivated by promises of easy money by Chavez.

Zelaya starts also to take a populist stance, first approving a huge increase in government workers’ wage, then approving a general increase to the minimum wage to levels where small and medium business were not able to cope with. He uses his “Citizen’s power” initiative to promise the poor areas of Honduras a thousand and one benefits with the integration to the ALBA. This all seems good, but in the background, he is asphyxiating our country’s air-thin budget with these initiatives, and forgoing such responsibilities such as the fight of crime, drug trafficking, diseases, the World’s economical crisis, and many other social matters.This is Zelaya first crime.

With this strategy, Zelaya “purchased” the support of some in-country blocks, such as peasant and indigenous organizations.This all would have been good, until you see Zelaya’s true intentions.

His purpose was of gathering support for his new project: to dispose of the current Constitution, over which he was sworn in, and create a new one, similar to ones crafted by Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador, with which he would be allowed to be re-elected. This is Zelaya’s second crime.

In trying to create a legal and “democratic” facade for his project, Zelaya used one of the statutes of his “Citizen’s power” initiative, which is the “Law of Citizens’ participation”, in which the people can put request to the government to conduct surveys about the peoples opinion. The problem is that no one to be asked about their will to change the constitution. This was fabricated by Zelaya, by threatening public employees to fire them, if they do not bring in a quota of “voluntarily” signed requested for this inquiry. So public employees, trying to safeguard their jobs, started forcing people to sign this if they wanted to be treated at hospitals, sold needed medicines, and even have a phone line repaired. This is Zelaya’s third crime.

After gathering a certain number of “requests”, he started moving for the installation of a popular inquiry, in which he would ask if the people wanted a new constitution, and which was going to take place today. The issue here is that this “popular inquiry” was not sanctioned by any independent and legal body, such as the Supreme Electoral Tribunal, and, furthermore, was declared illegal by the Supreme Court of Justice, on the grounds that our Constitution forbids anyone on changing the basic, or petrous, articles of it, which state the form of government and the impossibility of re-election. This was his fourth and last crime, against the Republic of Honduras.

This day’s event, where just a consequence of Zelaya moving on with this illegal inquiry. After his stubbornness to continue with it, his arrest was ordered by the Supreme Court of Justice, arrest which was conducted by the brave men in the military.

I do believe some things were done incorrectly, such as the extraction of the president to Costa Rica. He should have been placed under arrest here at Honduras, for him to face proper trail and sentencing for his crimes. But I believe he was taken out of the country due to imminent threat of Hugo Chavez. Chavez has vowed to reinstate Zelaya, “no matter what it takes”.

I finalize this long report, by stating that I voted for Zelaya on November 2005, and after talking to several of friends and family that voted for him, we agree that we profoundly regret that, and feel we have been betrayed us. This is also shown in numerous polls taken along the last two years.

Yes, Zelaya was democratically elected, but he also betrayed the Honduras’s people vote by trying to take the country to a path that we do not chose (ALBA and Chavez extreme socialism), forgetting important country affairs for promoting his Chavist agenda, and using the country’s poor for this purpose. If he promotes democracy through the voice of the people, why didn’t he asked us if we wanted to join the ALBA?

Finally, I want to remind everyone that this was not a military coup, this was the arrest and destitution of a criminal president, with the help of the military. Proof that it is not a coup, is that as of this moment we already have the Constitutional State of Right re-established, with a new president, and new cabinet. Let us Hondurans be, we have already defenestrated what was causing us such stress, division and unrest, and we will reunite ourselves, to again perform our right of suffrage in 5 months.

This is what we want. We ask the international community to take a closer look of our situation, and not allow other states such as Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua and Ecuador, to interfere with what we have chosen. We, the people of Honduras, have chosen: that is Democracy.


72 posted on 06/28/2009 6:55:46 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Jeff Head

The Honduras topic is busy on twitter also.


73 posted on 06/28/2009 7:59:31 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn

What is the character of the Honduran people? Clearly God has favored them. I hope the Venezuelan dictator is merely having a little kid’s temper tantrum over this. Otherwise, I hope, given that we’re not going to lift a finger to help in a pro-freedom cause, that Honduras has freedom-loving friends in the area. (Columbia?)


74 posted on 06/28/2009 8:51:57 PM PDT by Lexinom (How many last straws do we need?)
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To: Lexinom
Only about 150 people protested outside the congress against the combined Supreme Court, unanimous Congress, and military ouster of Zelaya.

Chavez vows to interfere with Honduran constitutional process.

Colombia hasn't committed yet, but they could serve as an anti-Chavez.

Obama and Hillary both are siding with the communists (no surprize).

75 posted on 06/28/2009 10:03:37 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: CheneyChick

Since you asked, I assume you already know.

Actually, I don’t.

There are more enlisted men than officers so it would make sense to know what the boots on the ground are promising.


76 posted on 06/29/2009 2:58:31 AM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: Publius6961
Two "O"s
and always has been

bOOger OOf

77 posted on 06/29/2009 3:29:22 AM PDT by rvoitier
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To: Chickensoup

Enlisted Oath:

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).


78 posted on 06/29/2009 6:03:20 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: meadsjn

Thanks for posting that.

I’m not hearing that in the MSM, but then, they are too busy reporting on the drug-addicted, pedophile baby-dangler.


79 posted on 06/29/2009 6:06:46 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: CheneyChick

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

So enlisted men may have two alliegences.


80 posted on 06/29/2009 7:21:53 AM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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