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To: who_would_fardels_bear
We have helped people see that slavery is wrong, that racism is wrong, that sexism is wrong, that radical feminism is wrong, etc.

Notice that in some of the cases you mentioned --- SLAVERY -- VIOLENCE determined what was right or wrong. The party with the stronger, more powerful weapons DETERMINED what was right. Racism ( e.g. anti-Semitism ) was wrong because Hitler and the Nazis were defeated. The Allies happened to have the more powerful weapons.

Let's say that Dawkins is right, that there is NO GOD...

What objective reason do we then present if :

A) The pro-slavery group were the more powerful party and defeated the anti-slavery group ?;

B) Hitler and the Nazis defeated the allies ?

If God doesn't exist, I cannot see any logical basis for calling Hitler or the pro-slavery movement "evil". Evil simply becomes a label based on personal preference and may the side that has the most powerful weapons impose its morality on the weaker side. That in essence is what it logically boils down to --- DECISION OF THE FITTEST. That is, if atheism is true.
28 posted on 07/01/2009 5:33:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
"VIOLENCE determined what was right or wrong"

Violence only determines what is "right or wrong" so far as the law goes. It has no impact on basic morality or ethics.

I would hope that you would be able to see the distinction between what is lawful/unlawful and what is moral/immoral.

Also, your claim that if there is no God the only valid philosophical opinion with respect to morality is nihilism is problematic. Certainly there are those that believe as you do, but they are in the minority.

If God can do anything then He could choose to remove Himself from His creation. At that point would we be free to do whatever we wanted? Or would it be best to live morally upright lives?

38 posted on 07/02/2009 10:02:01 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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