Posted on 07/01/2009 8:49:55 PM PDT by Steelfish
There is no area where "the spirit" of Vatican II did not do catastrophic damage.
That's the indefinable, undocumented "spirit" which is nowhere found in the actual documents.
Different religious communities have different (voluntary) constitutions and by laws. It’s possible she was acting with perfect loyalty to her order’s custom and tradition. Nothing wrong with that.
The objectionable thing is when men or women join communities, take solemn vows, and then work to redefine, subvert, or abolish them.
It’s like marriage vows. If you promised fidelity, then fidelity it is -— and not whatever new piece comes a long.
Orders which go off the deep end and toss out their natural plumage (habits) along with their traditional apostolate, eventually have to limit their activities due to a decrease in reproductive fitness due to a dearth of new recruits to the species as they can no longer be recognized by other Catholic birds. This leads to dwindling numbers which means that damage to the natural habitat is curtailed.
Unless members cease attempting to camouflage their natural plumage, extinction is the inevitable result.
Territory left vacant and is soon recolonized by other species of nuns belonging to "fitter" more attractive orders.
This is evolution in action.
Reminds me of the song, "I would just like to say" in the old stage version of Hair.
Yeah, I’ve been back and forth on that many times.
Current thinking is that Satan assisted in the formulation of VII, knowing beforehand that a liberal interpretation would accomplish his desired outcome, even if the council itself was nothing particularly heinous.
And are many orders in other countries actively fighting the Church? FWIW, this comes not too long after visits made to American seminaries. It’s not like the nuns are being singled out.
Well said at both #59 and #62!
A very good example of the kind of orders that are prospering. I know several of the Sisters listed and they are deeply committed, very orthodox and a joy to be around and to learn from.
Not so. To enter the religious life is to dedicate oneself to a new way of life ordered to God and not the secular realm. The adoption of a religious habit is a concrete way of declaring this to the world.
The habit reinforces the sense of community, thus strengthening the respective members in their commitment to their vows.
The habit is a practical way of leaving behind secular concerns of fashion, personal vanity, and individualism.
Mrs. Don-o
Love your posts :-)
1. Any religion that demands less than total dedication is worth less than a bucket of warm spit.
2. A daily routine of prayer scheduled at fixed hours dates from the earliest centuries of Christianity. I would not be surprised to learn of similar even more ancient practices among the Jews. What could be objectionable about a believer's sanctification to God's honor of not just the three spatial dimensions but also of time?
No. There’s nothing “wrong” with it. I have no dog in the hunt whatsoever and all people can make decisions for themselves. I just don’t happen to think all of this doctrinaire stuff is necessary to be a faithful worshipper. In fact, it’s a put-off to me. People who live their morals everyday don’t need any “garb” to prove it. I know that the people who are recipients of the churches good works probably don’t care if the generosity was done in a habit or not...nor whether they were ministering to others during some official “prayer time”. JMO.
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Fair enough--- for you and me, the faithful worshippers: just like we don't expect uniforms, saluting, and "military demeanor" from the good civilian citizens.
But if you had squads, platoons, and whole companies of USMC troops out these who openly disdained wearing their Dress Blues; resisted, come to mention it, the whole idea of uniforms or insignia of rank per se, did not salute the Flag, rejected drill or discipline as "stupid mickey mouse stuff," didn't like the "traditional" idea of the "Marine Corps mission," and displayed an openly defiant/oppositional attitude toward any inquiry from the Corps headquarters---
Wouln't you think, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
Why did these guys join up to begin with?
And why weren't they weeded out in Basic?
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Which is not to say they can't be good civilians and good citizens. They just aren't a good fit with the USMC.
Congrats on the fine post with two broken arms, no less.
Gosh would the number of nuns increase if they were allowed to be married?
Damn yer good! And the USMC analogy is a great addition to your arsenal!
ping to the Mrs Don-o prayer list.
She’s getting back in business. Saw the ortho doc today and thing seem to be coming along as hoped.
Thought some of her fans would appreciate the thread; especially her posts :)
Uh, Sister? Perhaps you ought to rethink the whole "our vision of our lives" thing and refocus on GOD'S vision of your lives. Just a thought....
Perhaps they might look into the nuns who blocked the coal trucks on Southwest Virginia highways in support of the United Mine Worker strike. They would be the same nuns visited and lauded by Mayor Flynn of Boston, the great terrorist IRA Catholic fund raiser who also praised the strikers and came hundreds of miles to do so.
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