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To: Vanders9
Freedom of speech is of no merit if it is being used to defame someone with lies. The fact that they are “public figures” is immaterial (Does Sarah Palin have to put up with attempts to besmirch her character?)

First, freedom is speech is of no merit if it's only used to gush nice things about public figures who have given 20 million to pay off the parents of various "boys" who have accused him of pedophilia. I can assure you if Sarah Palin had paid 20 million dollars to keep various parents quiet who had accused her of diddling their daughters - the press would never shut up about it.

And really and truly - all people who are found "not guilty" are not necessarily innocent. You do understand how our legal system works even if you don't quite understand the first amendment, right?

OJ was found "not guilty" - did you think he was innocent of the crime? Or that the State didn't prove their case to that particular jury on that day?

Should we all show great respect for OJ?

How about great respect for the man who killed the abortion doctor?

Or do you draw a line there. How about great respect for skinheads who lynch blacks? Do they also get "great respect"? What if one of the skinheads wrote a beautiful song? Or six beautiful songs - and danced to one of them? Does that trump our ability to condemn him for being a racist-killer?

You need to get real Vanders.

You seem to feel that you know where the "line" is - it's where the people you like are on the good side of that line - and the rest of us are not.

That's heavy handed totalitarian. It seems I don't agree with you on any of this - it happens.

153 posted on 07/07/2009 1:31:13 PM PDT by GOPJ (Central park didn't hit 85 degrees in June this year - last time was 1916. Al Gore is nuts.)
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To: GOPJ; nmh; All

Who elected Obama? Aside from the left wing intellectuals and labor unions, a whole bunch of American dunderheads did. Members of what I call our “People Magazine Culture” our “pop culture”. The culture that worships movie stars, and rock stars. Obama is the first “rock star” President. Since the msm wouldn’t give us his background, I spent a few hours researching him on my own. He is a totally corrupt life long leftist, who was involved with shady, probably criminal real estate deals. But he is an American pop culture hero, like Michael Jackson, so we must revere him........not!!

Our pop culture is mourning a human freak, who paid 20+ million dollars to buy off serious jail time. I don’t care if he invented the light bulb! At least we have the guts to tell it straight.


161 posted on 07/07/2009 2:02:56 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: GOPJ
Thanks for proving my points.

First, freedom is speech is of no merit if it's only used to gush nice things about public figures who have given 20 million to pay off the parents of various "boys" who have accused him of pedophilia. I can assure you if Sarah Palin had paid 20 million dollars to keep various parents quiet who had accused her of diddling their daughters - the press would never shut up about it.

I understand that, and I agree with you 100% And really and truly - all people who are found "not guilty" are not necessarily innocent. You do understand how our legal system works even if you don't quite understand the first amendment, right?

I understand that "not guilty" means just that - not guilty as opposed to innocent. We have a system whereby the onus is on the accuser to prove their accusation. If you accuse people of some wrongdoing, the law says that the onus is on YOU to prove it, not on them to prove otherwise. There's no need to insult me.

OJ was found "not guilty" - did you think he was innocent of the crime? Or that the State didn't prove their case to that particular jury on that day?

I think the State did not prove their case, and that under the current rules no one would be ever convicted of anything if they had access to the same kind of high powered laywers. The system is broke, because it does not treat people equally.

Should we all show great respect for OJ? How about great respect for the man who killed the abortion doctor?

Youre getting carried away now. This isn't about respect. This is about a point of law.

Or do you draw a line there. How about great respect for skinheads who lynch blacks? Do they also get "great respect"? What if one of the skinheads wrote a beautiful song? Or six beautiful songs - and danced to one of them? Does that trump our ability to condemn him for being a racist-killer?

If a skinhead wrote a beautiful song or danced very well to one of the, he should be accorded respect for being a good songwriter or dancer. Check back on any statement Ive made about MJ. Hes a great entertainer, flawed human being.

You need to get real Vanders. You seem to feel that you know where the "line" is - it's where the people you like are on the good side of that line - and the rest of us are not. That's heavy handed totalitarian. It seems I don't agree with you on any of this - it happens.

AND that is where my point about the misuse of freedom of speech comes in. I havent made any claim about "lines". I certainly have not tried to claim im on the "good" side and you are on the "bad". You are extrapolating what you know about other people, and then ascribing those viewpoints to me based on the fact that I have the temerity not to completely agree with you. Now that enables me to call YOU totalitarian.

171 posted on 07/08/2009 12:48:00 AM PDT by Vanders9
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