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Supreme Knight criticizes use of Pope's encyclical for political agendas
cna ^ | July 7, 2009

Posted on 07/07/2009 3:31:19 PM PDT by NYer

Supreme Knight Carl Anderson

Denver, Colo., Jul 7, 2009 / 03:26 pm (CNA).- The head of the Knights of Columbus, Carl Anderson, has responded to Pope Benedict’s newly-released encyclical, “Caritas in Veritate” (Love in Truth), by denouncing attempts to use it to further political agendas rather than viewing it from the Church’s comprehensive understanding of the human person.

In an interview with CNA on Tuesday morning, Carl Anderson, leader of the world’s largest lay Catholic organization, decried the “spin masters who will try to spin the encyclical in one direction or the other” and emphasized that “the Catholic reader should read the encyclical in its entirety” in order to understand the underlying ethical and anthropological foundations that guide it.

“What this encyclical makes very clear is that there is a consistent ethics in the Catholic Church because there is a consistent view of the human person,” Anderson told CNA, explaining that this consistency is seen in Pope Benedict’s assertion that social issues cannot be separated from life issues.

While the idea that we are “morally responsible for one another” as part of “one human family” is not new to Christianity, Anderson said that the Pope challenges us in this encyclical “to take this seriously as a fundamental understanding of what it means to be a Christian.”

Anderson also responded to some analyses of the encyclical that try to describe it as promoting either a liberal or conservative political viewpoint by saying, “I think that’s precisely the wrong way to look at the encyclical, and I think that Benedict would be very disappointed if that’s the kind of analysis we give it.” 

“What we ought to be doing is reading the encyclical and seeing what we can learn from it, what we might change as a way of doing our work as a result from it, and not to see whether or not it validates one position,” he added.
 
Anderson explained that when we divide the encyclical or use it to justify one position over another, “we fall into an error that I think Benedict himself would be the first one to attempt to correct.”

He observed that the issues dealt with by the Pope, such as defense of marriage, protection of human life, and a call to reform the United Nations, are not really questions of the political right or left.  Rather, they flow from a comprehensive and consistent understanding of the human person.

In addition, Anderson noted that many Americans may see the Pope’s call for “just redistribution” as a left-leaning proposal, but when viewed in a global perspective, the idea takes on a new light.

“When you look in Africa where you see dictators that are presidents of countries that retire from office with billions of dollars in their Swiss bank accounts while their people are living on one dollar a day, is that just redistribution? Is that a question of the left or is that a question of the right?”

Explaining that these topics are human issues rather than those belonging to any political party, Anderson said that discussions of right and left have no place in analyzing the Pope’s encyclical and putting it into practice.

“I think Christians, particularly Catholics, have to move beyond that if they want to truly see with the eyes of the Gospel,” he told CNA. “Because there was a Gospel before there was a left and a right, and there will be a Gospel after.”

Calling on Catholics to read “Caritas in Veritate” and incorporate it into their lives, Anderson highlighted the encyclical’s sense of urgency. “We really do have a moral obligation to help those in need,” he said, adding that this obligation is comprehensive, and “therefore, not only is the ethic consistent, it has to be applied consistently in all the things we do.”

“We cannot contain that responsibility to Sunday morning,” Anderson said as he invited Catholics to make the Pope’s words a reality in their everyday lives. “Let’s put it into practice!  Let’s find ways to make the encyclical count,” he said, encouraging people to leave behind their divisions and unite to put Benedict’s words into action. 

“Those in government have a responsibility, those in the private sector have a responsibility, and we ought to work together from a consistent ethic and a consistent attitude to try to solve these problems.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: encyclical; knightsofcolumbus; msm; pope

1 posted on 07/07/2009 3:31:19 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
What we ought to be doing is reading the encyclical and seeing what we can learn from it

It's amazing how intelligent folks will believe the msm spin, yet won't make the time to read the encyclical and draw their own conclusions. I thought Freepers were above this nonsense.

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2 posted on 07/07/2009 3:34:58 PM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: TheRiverNile
CARITAS IN VERITATE
3 posted on 07/07/2009 3:39:13 PM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
Well if the Pope is wrong, then he's wrong.

He has no education or experience in these matters.

4 posted on 07/07/2009 3:39:47 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Well if the Pope is wrong, then he's wrong.

Please cite the passage in the encyclical where he is wrong.

5 posted on 07/07/2009 3:42:29 PM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

Thanks for the ping. Keep me in the loop.


6 posted on 07/07/2009 3:46:09 PM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: NYer
He used the word "redistribution".

He may as well have mentioned Obama or Clinton by name if his intent was to rile up Freepers.

Of course wealth is redistributed constantly in any kind of economic system from free market to socialist.

The reaction by many Freepers to this encyclical shows that conservatives are just as susceptible to Pavlovian conditioning as liberals.

7 posted on 07/07/2009 3:46:27 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
He may as well have mentioned Obama or Clinton by name if his intent was to rile up Freepers.

You are looking at this encyclical through your 'political lenses'. Take those off and put on the ones of faith. Then reread what the pope has written.

8 posted on 07/07/2009 3:48:22 PM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

The “social justice Catholics” will use this letter to justify their allegiance to Obama. Never mind that the pope’s whole argument hinges on the acceptance of the concept of natural law, which liberal Catholics do not accept.


9 posted on 07/07/2009 3:53:03 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: NYer

I THINK that the Supreme Knight is wrong making a PC useless comment.

Pope’s last encyclique appears to be a great teaching which place human being at the centre and thye top of economy.

As far as i heard it is highlighting PERSONNAL RESPONSABILITY and human’s dignity and these are core CONSERVATIVE values


10 posted on 07/07/2009 3:56:03 PM PDT by Ulysse
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To: NYer
Let's see. He uses the term, "common good" 20 times and "global" 54 times. He cites the United Nations 5 times.

In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth.

Talking about redistribution of wealth:

Economic life undoubtedly requires contracts, in order to regulate relations of exchange between goods of equivalent value. But it also needs just laws and forms of redistribution governed by politics, and what is more, it needs works redolent of the spirit of gift.

The processes of globalization, suitably understood and directed, open up the unprecedented possibility of large-scale redistribution of wealth on a world-wide scale; if badly directed, however, they can lead to an increase in poverty and inequality, and could even trigger a global crisis.

What is also needed, though, is a worldwide redistribution of energy resources, so that countries lacking those resources can have access to them.


What does that mean? I can only figure that "certain" developed countries are using "too much" oil, and that is what is creating an imbalance of wealth. I've never had an issue with this Pope. I'm not Catholic but have found myself cheering many of his pronouncements. This time around, though, much of what he is saying could vey easily be used as an excuse to cripple our nation even further without identifying the evil, corrupt governments that cause much of the suffering in under- and undeveloped countries.

Regardless of the speaker, when I hear a speech or read an article that contains "redistribution", "social justice", "United Nations", "globalization", and "common good", a red flag starts waving.
11 posted on 07/07/2009 4:12:48 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Survival is a Mom's Job! Check out my blog: www.thesurvivalmom.com)
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To: humblegunner
The Pope isn't wrong. Read the document.

And these threads that post the teurh -- including this one.

Supreme Knight criticizes use of Pope's encyclical for political agendas

Benedict XVI explains gifts and limitations of free market economy

Benedict XVI Tightens Up the Church's Social Teaching

Excerpts from Pope Benedict XVI New Encyclical "CARITAS IN VERITATE" (CHARITY AND TRUTH)

Love for others requires involvement in politics, pope says

12 posted on 07/07/2009 4:14:52 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Don’t take things out of context!


13 posted on 07/07/2009 4:15:45 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Ulysse

I appreciate what you say about personal responsibility, but this document explicitly calls for state involvement, and uses the word redistribution repeatedly. I’ll give the authors the benefit of the doubt about what they are calling for, but I think their language choice is questionable (redistribution) and falls into the hands of those who advocate socialism

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html

35. “But the social doctrine of the Church has unceasingly highlighted the importance of distributive justice and social justice for the market economy...”

36.”Therefore, it must be borne in mind that grave imbalances are produced when economic action, conceived merely as an engine for wealth creation, is detached from political action, conceived as a means for pursuing justice through redistribution.”

37.”Economic life undoubtedly requires contracts, in order to regulate relations of exchange between goods of equivalent value. But it also needs just laws and forms of redistribution governed by politics...”

39. “In this way he was applying on a global scale the insights and aspirations contained in Rerum Novarum, written when, as a result of the Industrial Revolution, the idea was first proposed — somewhat ahead of its time — that the civil order, for its self-regulation, also needed intervention from the State for purposes of redistribution.


14 posted on 07/07/2009 4:27:56 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mount Athos
Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

[21] ...For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretense of succession to St. Peter, their whole hierarchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared not unfitly to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives' fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily perceive that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start out of the ruins of that heathen power.

[22] The language also which they use (both in the churches and in their public acts) being Latin, which is not commonly used by any nation now in the world, what is it but the ghost of the old Roman language?

[23] The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.

[24] The ecclesiastics are spiritual men and ghostly fathers. The fairies and ghosts inhabit darkness, solitudes, and graves. The ecclesiastics walk in obscurity of doctrine, in monasteries, churches, and church-yards.

Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan: with selected variants from the Latin edition of 1668. Ed. Edwin Curley. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1994.

http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/hobbes/leviathan-contents.html

15 posted on 07/07/2009 4:42:16 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: NYer

I wish a were wrong, but I sincerely believe that I am not wrong, in thinking that (1)the current Pope’s messages on economic issues are INTENTIONALLY euphemistic enough that Marxists will find common cause with them, (2)that Benedict knows this, and (3)he is, in terms of political philosophy, active on the side of “democratic” socialists. He is part of that generation of European Roman Catholic intellectuals who have made common cause with Marxists in Europe on so-called “social justice” issues, only to see the socialists resulting victories produce socialist majorities that compromise family and life issues in the end.

If I were a lay member of the Catholic Church, I would be praying for an “American” Catholic Church, devoid of ALL Europe’s influences.


16 posted on 07/07/2009 5:21:16 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli; All

“Obama: Social Justice in Catholic Church Has Had ‘Profound Influence’ on Me”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2287702/posts

Actually, with Obama (1) being neither Catholic educated, nor (2) having any major personal, life-experience, close Catholic leaders as mentors or peers, nor (3) ever being a practicing Catholic, I believe Obama’s Marxist leanings have often found concordance with Roman Catholic “social justice” teaching; and that is what is closer to the truth - not that he was influenced by Catholic “social justice” teaching, but that he found IT often agreed with his thinking.

Now, American Catholics, try to envision just where his concordance with the Pope in Rome hopes to take us.

Please, please wake up.


17 posted on 07/07/2009 5:36:33 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: NYer

The Catholic haters and the headline only, readers have been busy today trying to make everyone believe that Pope Benedict is calling for the dreaded “One World Government!!!!”.


18 posted on 07/07/2009 5:44:19 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: NYer

Good article, NYer. Thanks for the post. The Supreme Knight is spot on!


19 posted on 07/07/2009 5:47:19 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: NYer
I was agreeing with you.

Maybe you should read posts before responding to them.

20 posted on 07/07/2009 5:53:32 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: Salvation
"Don’t take things out of context!"

I'm not the one taking things out of context. It is those that see the word "redistribution" and immediately think "communist" that are taking things out of context.

Is anyone capable of reading comprehension any more?

21 posted on 07/07/2009 5:55:08 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: Mount Athos

“I appreciate what you say about personal responsibility, but this document explicitly calls for state involvement, and uses the word redistribution repeatedly. I’ll give the authors the benefit of the doubt about what they are calling for, but I think their language choice is questionable (redistribution) and falls into the hands of those who advocate socialism”

Been a while since you’ve read On Wealth and Poverty, hasn’t it. Its a great little book by one of our guys. You may want to re-read it and compare it to what the Pope has written, remembering that +John Chrysostomos had never heard of socialism, but had an intimate familiarity with The Faith.


22 posted on 07/07/2009 5:56:24 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Wuli
If I were a lay member of the Catholic Church, I would be praying for an “American” Catholic Church, devoid of ALL Europe’s influences.

Absolutely no way would I. The American Catholic Church since Vatican II can be equated with the "smoke of Satan" entering the Church.

23 posted on 07/07/2009 5:57:55 PM PDT by frogjerk (C-NJ)
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To: Salvation

Came to this discussion late and I am too tired to read the encyclical with any degree of comprehension.

I will try to read it tomorrow and then come back and comment.

Thanks for the link!


24 posted on 07/07/2009 6:46:57 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Kolokotronis
Been a while since you’ve read On Wealth and Poverty, hasn’t it. You may want to re-read it and compare it to what the Pope has written, remembering that +John Chrysostomos had never heard of socialism, but had an intimate familiarity with The Faith.

Kolkotronis -- Your comment really surprises me. "Wealth and Poverty" never advocates greater government involvement, nor a "social justice" model of commerce (this encyclical does). It explores the parable of Lazarus and the rich man asking how individuals should handle wealth for salvation.

I find nothing consistent between Chrysostomos advocating individuals donating to the poor(individual piety freely given), and this encyclical veering into discussing a state that forcibly takes wealth and "redistributes" it to others-- not for necessary public services but for "social justice" and "market justice".

Much in this encyclical is an ordinary and unsurprising natural growth from previous christian thought. It's not all bad. But perhaps the document veers from its core competency when they get to talking about government redistribution so much.

35. “But the social doctrine of the Church has unceasingly highlighted the importance of distributive justice and social justice for the market economy...”

Unfortunately people who talk a lot about "distributive justice" and "social justice" today look to coercive socialist government models that involve crushing levels of taxation and punitive means to enforce their own vision of piety. While Chrysostomos advocated that individuals donate to the poor, he never suggested that centurians should force merchants to give money to less successful merchants, or subsidize buyers with less money.

36.”Therefore, it must be borne in mind that grave imbalances are produced when economic action, conceived merely as an engine for wealth creation, is detached from political action, conceived as a means for pursuing justice through redistribution.”

Here the encyclical decries government inaction, and calls for greater government market intervention to create "justice" with "redistribution". Lost are the real world lessons that corruption, injustice and oppression often coincide with greater government involvement.

Some examples of governments that pursued justice through greater intervention in the market include Cambodia, North Korea, Stalin's USSR, etc... These are extreme examples but there are many more examples of greater government intervention leading to more suffering and a less Christian outcome. Maybe the encyclical should have tread more carefully in bemoaning government inaction in the market.

37.”Economic life undoubtedly requires contracts, in order to regulate relations of exchange between goods of equivalent value. But it also needs just laws and forms of redistribution governed by politics...”

Why does it need redistribution? Maybe they have wandered well beyond a natural extrapolation of Christian teaching, don't you think? Certainly it not anything consistent with what Chrysostomos. If the scope of what they are talking about is caring for the most needy and impoverished, they should say so, instead of broadly advocating "redistribution".

I really like the section where they say that individuals should reflect on their behavior at every level of commerce. Our actions affect lots of people. It's when the document veers from individual piety to collective that they wander afield. When the document starts explicitly advocating greater government involvement and "market justice" they are on dangerous ground.
25 posted on 07/07/2009 7:28:30 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: NYer

Are Catholics really going to just sit there and let the Pope bat them around just because he’s the Pope? What absurdity, truly.

Benedict just issued the most radical leftwing Encyclical in the history of the RCC, full of ambitions larger than anything the Holy Roman Emperor could have dreamed up at the height of medieval papal power. It’s a shocking document that calls for an armed world government. And yet here we have denizens of a right wing website trying to tell us, “Nothing to see here. Move along.”

“Subsidiarity” makes it all OK. Yeah, right. Keep telling yourself that.

It’s actually funny. I guess you guys are just going to follow Benedict right over a cliff and into Obama’s lap, because rest assured, nobody is happier with the Pope’s ideas than Barack Obama and the far left wing of the Democratic Party.


26 posted on 07/08/2009 12:00:52 AM PDT by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: Mount Athos

Thanks i didn’t read it already but heard about it.

Shamefully in many cases that kind of papal teachings are not specific enough to be relevant.

But anyway i persist to think that personal responsability remains the first principle in the principles hierarchy if you look at the whole picture


27 posted on 07/08/2009 4:59:57 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: Mount Athos

And again! :)

I’m a bit surprised at your response, MA. You know who +John Chrysostomos was preaching to in his Homilies, it was to the ruling elites of the Empire, the government. Homily L on Matthew is a good example:

“Do you really wish to pay homage to Christ’s body? Then do not neglect him when he is naked. At the same time that you honor him here [in Church] with hangings made of silk, do not ignore him outside when he perishes from cold and nakedness. For the One who said “This is my body”… also said “When I was hungry you gave me nothing to eat.”… For is there any point in his table being laden with golden cups while he himself is perishing from hunger? First fill him when he is hungry and then set his table with lavish ornaments. Are you making a golden cup for him at the very moment when you refuse to give him a cup of cold water? Do you decorate his table with cloths flecked with gold, while at the same time you neglect to give him what is necessary for him to cover himself? … I’m saying all this not to forbid your gifts of munificence, but to admonish you to perform those other duties at the same time, or rather before, you do these. No one was ever condemned for neglecting to be munificent: for the neglect of others hell
itself is threatened, as well as unquenchable fire....”

Here at sec. 4 he isn’t speaking to the local shoemaker, MA. It was the imperial nobility and the great merchants who decorated the churches of The City and they, MA, were the government.


28 posted on 07/08/2009 5:08:03 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: beckett
It’s actually funny. I guess you guys are just going to follow Benedict right over a cliff and into Obama’s lap, because rest assured, nobody is happier with the Pope’s ideas than Barack Obama and the far left wing of the Democratic Party.

Well, most of the DUmmies hate it, just because it came from the Pope. Mention the word Catholic over there and most of them turn into the filthy rabid dogs that they are.

See the DUmmies in action here.

29 posted on 07/08/2009 6:04:38 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the frequently disappointed but ever optimistic Mets fan.)
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To: CT-Freeper
Well, most of the DUmmies FReepers hate it, just because it came from the Pope. Mention the word Catholic over there here and most of them turn into the filthy rabid dogs that they are.
30 posted on 07/08/2009 6:07:09 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Ulysse

Some biblical paraphrases, not “interpretations” to be discarded as “my opinion”, but real biblical principles:

Work or don’t eat.
Stop stealing, be productive so that you can give to the poor.
Giving should be voluntary, without coercion.

All of these principles are antithetical to socialism.


31 posted on 07/08/2009 6:08:59 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: frogjerk

“Absolutely no way would I. The American Catholic Church since Vatican II can be equated with the “smoke of Satan” entering the Church.”

I’m sorry, but the intellectual trails for that smoke lead back to and have always been stronger in Europe.

When I say “American” I mean devoid of all Marxists and their liberal fellow travelers. In Europe the Catholic Marxists need no liberal fellow travelers, they are a majority without them.


32 posted on 07/08/2009 8:45:08 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: CT-Freeper

I don’t go to DU. It’s a long standing policy of mine that helps keep my digestive tract in good working order.

In any case, whoever’s dissing the Encyclical at DU is just having a knee jerk reaction based on past gripes about abortion, etc. The document has only been out seven days and the import of what the Pope has said hasn’t fully rippled through the chattering class yet.

And here’s what the Pope has said. He has proposed a global political structure backed up by the “authority to ensure compliance,” which can only mean authority from the barrel of a gun, just as all law is ultimately enforced, if it comes to it, by physical coercion.

The Pope’s defenders seem to claim that a principle of “subsidiarity,” also mentioned in the Encyclical, should mollify concerns that the “world authority” might become a “tyranny.” They’re living in a dream world if they think subsidiarity negates hierarchy. That’s kind of like saying a mail room supervisor can tell the CEO to take a hike if he doesn’t like what the CEO wants him to do. Or perhaps, better yet, an altar boy can tell the Pope he’s removing the Sacraments from the Roman Catholic religion whether the Pope likes it or not.

POWER assigns to the OFFICE, and the higher the office’s place in the hierarchy, the more power it accrues. Catholic clergy understand hierarchy very well. They just about invented it in its modern form. The Pope wants to superimpose a hierarchy above all other hierarchies, a world hierarchy exercising ultimate authority on the most important issues, and all his silly disclaimers about subsidiarity are mere window dressing, catnip for innocents who don’t understand the uses and functions of power.


33 posted on 07/08/2009 8:55:46 AM PDT by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: TheRiverNile
Thanks for the ping. Keep me in the loop.

Some excellent analysis , here

34 posted on 07/08/2009 10:14:23 AM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: tiki
The Catholic haters and the headline only, readers have been busy today trying to make everyone believe that Pope Benedict is calling for the dreaded “One World Government!!!!”.

How would you interpret this? "The articulation of political authority at the local, national and international levels is one of the best ways of giving direction to the process of economic globalization. "

35 posted on 07/08/2009 10:45:58 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Wuli
I had originally qualified my statement with Since Vatican II and I stand by my assessment.
36 posted on 07/08/2009 11:34:51 AM PDT by frogjerk (C-NJ)
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To: NYer; All
It's amazing how intelligent folks will believe the msm spin, yet won't make the time to read the encyclical and draw their own conclusions. I thought Freepers were above this nonsense. CARITAS IN VERITATE

Yes, and I was nearly one of them as I expressed yesterday that I was concerned about the MSM comments I read and hoped the Holy Father was (once again) quoted out of context. I have since read much about it and have more to read. EWTN news (among others) has several newslink articles on it. I had a sinking feeling the MSM were quick to get access and were having a field day taking it out of context.

37 posted on 07/08/2009 2:09:06 PM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: NYer

“It’s amazing how intelligent folks will believe the msm spin, yet won’t make the time to read the encyclical and draw their own conclusions. I thought Freepers were above this nonsense.”

Fair enough. Try as I might, though, the LSM takes me in every now and again.

Still, when I read this: “Anderson also responded to some analyses of the encyclical that try to describe it as promoting either a liberal or conservative political viewpoint by saying, “I think that’s precisely the wrong way to look at the encyclical, and I think that Benedict would be very disappointed if that’s the kind of analysis we give it,” I am a bit disappointed. It’s rather frustrating that so many people fail to recognize that liberalism is evil, while conservatism is congruent with “the consistent ethics in the Catholic Church.

Liberalism and conservatism are not morally equivalent, and it is not appropriate to treat them as equals, as Anderson appears to be trying to do.

So many people buy into the picture of the “sensible center,” with things becoming increasingly deranged as one moves away in either direction. Looks to me like the continuum extends from Satan on the left to God on the right.


38 posted on 07/08/2009 6:01:11 PM PDT by dsc (Only dead fish go with the flow.)
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To: beckett

“authority to ensure compliance,”

That’s in paragraph 67. I am troubled by that paragraph.


39 posted on 07/08/2009 6:14:40 PM PDT by dsc (Only dead fish go with the flow.)
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