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To: Ozone34
Is she incoherently trying to frame a modernist Pelagian type heresy? After A. Comte, the individual is subordinate to the ‘community’, and so perhaps in her view the attainment of God’s grace can only be obtained by the community and not by individual effort.

You got it, that's what she's doing. See my post #52.

56 posted on 07/09/2009 6:49:53 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: PapaBear3625
Ubuntu. That word doesn't have any "I"s in it. The I only emerges as we connect - and that is really what the word means: I am because we are, and I can only become a whole person in relationship with others. There is no "I" without "you," and in our context, you and I are known only as we reflect the image of the one who created us. Some of you will hear a resonance with Martin Buber's I and Thou and recognize a harmony. You will not be wrong.

It's always entertaining to see the ways in which modernist doctrines always self-destruct by means of their inherent contradictions. In the above quote she throws Descartes under the bus. For the "father of modern philosophy", the beginning of all knowledge is the 'cogito': "I think, therefore I am." He didn't say "Since you happen to be over there, and I'm thinking, we are!"

I'm not familiar with 'Ubuntu', but wouldn't it be amusing if the word for the first person singular pronoun was 'u'!

95 posted on 07/09/2009 8:10:52 AM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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