I heard it. “Julie” kept threatening to hang up if Jeff called it a man one more time. “Julie” also liked to say how rich he is.
A good point was made. These people continue to call themselves Transgender after the change instead of the new gender in order to maintain “we are more important than you status.”
I got home in the middle of the interview with “Julie”. It’s really pathetic. I miss the old days, before Christine Jorgensen.