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Dogfight Over the F-22: Protecting Jobs or the Nation?
Time ^ | July 15, 2009 | By MARK THOMPSON

Posted on 07/15/2009 11:49:05 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

Supporters of building more F-22 fighters have their backs against the wall. The President, the Secretary of Defense, the Air Force leadership and the Senate's top military experts have all declared that the U.S. needs no more than the 187 of the $350 million fighters it has already bought. So the F-22's backers are changing their tactics in demanding more planes, relying on arguments from second-tier officers, citing imaginary threats and introducing the most potent argument of all these days: preserving 25,000 well-paying jobs.

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Chambliss also sought a letter of support from the chief of the Air National Guard, who praised the F-22's "unique" capabilities and said its deployment with his reserve forces "is the most responsible approach to satisfying all of our nation's needs." Of course, the U.S. military has never been able to satisfy all of the nation's needs. Assembling a military is a balancing act, where threats are ranked and priorities set so that most of the available money is channeled toward countering the most likely threats. But so long as generals — backed by lawmakers — see it as their job to satisfy "all of the nation's needs," the taxpayers will continue buying unbelievably costly weapons to protect us from unbelievably minuscule threats.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: f22; f22raptor; raptor
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1 posted on 07/15/2009 11:49:05 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: All

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/f22/index?tab=articles

More articles here.


2 posted on 07/15/2009 11:50:20 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar
Either we fly or Your choice.
3 posted on 07/15/2009 11:53:55 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Thread bump.


4 posted on 07/16/2009 12:11:24 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Jet Jaguar
What is the point in having an inferior Air force? Save the pilots, make them twiddle their thumbs on the ground. This technology builds on itself. It has numerous noncombat applications. Did bambi sell the tech to China?
5 posted on 07/16/2009 12:12:04 AM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

No, I think the Pentagon would rather go with this rather than the F-22:

[img]http://www.defencetalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/f-35-jsf-air-combat.jpg[/img]


6 posted on 07/16/2009 12:26:37 AM PDT by socalgop
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To: socalgop; allmost

Error 404 - Nothing Found! We’ve updated our website link structure recently, please try searching or use the items we found using the keyword you searched below the search box.

LOL! very true.


7 posted on 07/16/2009 12:27:59 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: socalgop
Dude error 404 man...

;)
8 posted on 07/16/2009 12:28:48 AM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost
Come on folks, you can figure out that the extra ]img doesn't belong on the url.
try this
http://www.defencetalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/f-35-jsf-air-combat.jpg
9 posted on 07/16/2009 12:37:16 AM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: Jet Jaguar

Yup, we don’t need more air superiority fighters. We have the best the world has or ever will see. Ignore the declining rates of US citizens who graduate from our engineering colleges. Ignore our cratering manufacturing base. We’re the best, so why spend more money on maintainung production and upkeep facilities? It’s just a waste of money. Besides, if the EVIL USA lets other nations catch up, they won’t feel as threatened, and we’ll all be safer.

/ALL HEAVY SARC


10 posted on 07/16/2009 12:37:49 AM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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To: Aroostook25
Why not just post the pic?


11 posted on 07/16/2009 12:48:41 AM PDT by allmost
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To: Jet Jaguar
According to http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123022371 Posted 6/23/2006.

Estimates for the fighter jet range from as little as $132 million to as much as $312 million. So far, the Air Force has invested as much as $28 billion in the Raptor's research, development and testing. That money, referred to as a "sunk cost," is already spent and is separate from money used for future decision-making, including procuring a copy of the jet.

By the time all 183 jets have been purchased, around $28 billion will have been spent on research and development. An additional $34 billion will have been spent on actually procuring the aircraft. That's about $62 billion for the total program cost. Divided out, that's comes to about $338 million per aircraft.

But the reality is, if the Air Force wanted to buy just one more jet, it would cost the taxpayer less than half that amount. The current cost for a single copy of an F-22 stands at about $137 million. And that number has dropped by 23 percent since Lot 3 procurement, General Lewis said.

"The cost of the airplane is going down," he said. "And the next 100 aircraft, if I am allowed to buy another 100 aircraft ... the average fly-away cost would be $116 million per airplane."

12 posted on 07/16/2009 12:50:57 AM PDT by Aroostook25
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Why not just post the pic?

Maybe because this thread is about the F-22, not the F-35.

13 posted on 07/16/2009 12:54:14 AM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: Aroostook25

Our government has no mandate if it cannot defend us.


14 posted on 07/16/2009 12:54:17 AM PDT by allmost
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To: Aroostook25

I posted your link. The question remains.


15 posted on 07/16/2009 12:55:24 AM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost
Instead of posting the image again, since you did the F-35 and "myknowledge" posted the two F-22s, here is one of the F-22 intercepting a Russian bomber above Alaska.

F-22 versus Russian Bomber

16 posted on 07/16/2009 1:16:55 AM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: Aroostook25

That is one great photo.

Are Russian bombers known to fly over Alaska often?


17 posted on 07/16/2009 1:20:20 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Aroostook25
People think with their eyes for the most part. If you claim that me posting your pic was an obsequent notion... Get over yourself.
18 posted on 07/16/2009 1:21:37 AM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost
BTW, it wasn't my pic. I only cleaned up the link which "socalgop" posted. So sue me because i didn't make it display the image too.

Meanwhile, let's discuss the procurement of more F-22's -- several hundred more, or maybe a thousand. Earlier in the thread
U.S. Sir Force DFifth Generation Fighter: The F22A Raptor Requirements Retreat
I posted the following:

Each State Air Guard unit needs at least one squadron (18 fighters per squadron). Several coastal States should have a full wing (3 squadrons): Alaska, California, Florida, Texas, Virginia, Hawaii, the Dakotas and Maine. Some pacifist New England States probably may not want any. So figure at least one thousand fighters to cover threats from north, west, south and east.

19 posted on 07/16/2009 1:29:50 AM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: Aroostook25

You like dead pilots and destroyed us aircraft?


20 posted on 07/16/2009 1:32:26 AM PDT by allmost
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