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The Case for Depression, Part 3: Demographics
Seeking Alpha ^ | july 20,2009 | Moses Kim

Posted on 07/21/2009 2:31:28 PM PDT by arthurus

It's no secret that different age groups have different spending patterns. Younger people are a drag on economic growth since they consume a great deal but don't produce. In other words, they exacerbate inflation since they increase demand and reduce supply for goods. On the other hand, middle aged people are high earners, producers, and spenders. They tend to moderate inflation and prop up asset prices. Peak spending occurs on average at age 48. Spending patterns resemble a bell curve, so beyond this age, spending tapers as people save for retirement.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: babyboom; depression; retirement

1 posted on 07/21/2009 2:31:28 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: arthurus

saving for retirement at age 48? That’s a bit too late to do anything of significance.

Also saying the youth is a drain is false as well, who else is going to work at McD’s and Walmart? Retirees and young ones.

I’m not dissing that type of work, but typically the minimum wage jobs are done by those types of people...without them we’d have to pay a lot more for our goods/services.


2 posted on 07/21/2009 2:41:27 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: arthurus

And how much different would demographics be if all those aborted babies were here?


3 posted on 07/21/2009 2:44:51 PM PDT by crghill (You can't put a condom on your soul. I'm an anti-antinomian.)
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To: arthurus

I think the chart of births (offset by 48 years) vs. the DJ average would have been more useful (and dramatic) if the births were normalized as percentage of the population. In other words, 4.7 million births in the late 40s and early 50s were a much larger percentage of the population than 4.2 million births in 2008. Therefore the impact on the economy would be much more exaggerated...

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4 posted on 07/21/2009 2:47:07 PM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: crghill

to arthurus

amen! Who knows what a million plus babies who were aborted would mean to this country.... plus, not having all the blood on our hands.... shame on you America...shame on you


5 posted on 07/21/2009 2:50:26 PM PDT by bareford101 (U)
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6 posted on 07/21/2009 2:55:07 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: for-q-clinton

How many jokes have I heard that teenagers are what propped our economy, buying fast food, clothes, movies, and over priced concert tickets?


7 posted on 07/21/2009 2:59:49 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: arthurus

I read a paper in an economic journal around 1990 that predicted the economic ruin of Europe, Japan, and the USA because of unfunded entitlements from the wave of retiring Baby Boomers.

I have read editorials in Barrons and the WSJ for the past 15 years warning about the perils of subprime loans, excessive debt, CDSs, the carry trade, etc., ad nauseum.

The politicians are either economic ignoramuses, crooks, or fools.....or all of the above.


8 posted on 07/21/2009 3:09:08 PM PDT by darth
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To: for-q-clinton

“Youth as a drain” is a relative term. It is better said that youth progresses from being an absolute drain (children) to being a non-contributor (early 20’s) when their earning power is low and many of them are saddled with student debt, so their discretionary income is low and their spending effect and multipliers are low.

From the standpoint of consumption of large, durable goods (cars, boats, housing, furnishings, etc) people start consuming in earnest in their mid-30’s and taper off quickly after 50. By the mid-50’s, people quit buying second homes and start divesting themselves of “stuff” to get their burn rate pared down for retirement.

The main cohort of boomers is well into their 50’s now, and their patterns of consumption are going to contract very quickly after this financial shock. You can see the American rate of savings going up very, very rapidly in the Fed’s “Fred” database:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?chart_type=line&width=800&height=480&preserve_ratio=true&s[1][id]=PSAVE

You can see where people’s savings went negative in 2005, as they strip-mined equity out of their houses. And you can see how quickly savings have shot up in aggregate.

This rapid turn-around of people into savers is what threatens any consumer-led recovery. A turn-around in consumer behavior as rapid and as large as this is going to break more than a couple models and assumptions about US consumer behavior going forward.


9 posted on 07/21/2009 3:20:33 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: for-q-clinton

Yeah I would think a tendency to spend less at 48 is more due to wanting to accumulate less stuff. Or spending all their money on the kids. :D


10 posted on 07/21/2009 4:10:08 PM PDT by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: NVDave

The dirty little secret is that this is exactly what drives the push for amnesty for illegal immigrants in this country. Every adult illegal alien represents a ready-made consumer who didn’t have to be raised and educated here in the U.S.


11 posted on 07/21/2009 4:26:04 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I would amend that — it WAS (nb the past tense) what was driving the push for amnesty — that the illegals, once ‘legal’ - would buy up the surplus of homes.

Now with unemployment predicted to top 10% easily (BLS U-3 figures), making the illegals legal would instantly pop up the unemployment stats - by perhaps a half million to a million former illegals.

Suddenly The One’s economics would look even more suspect than they do now, and unskilled, low-skill and even trade workers would have additional competition on top of what they have now. Especially males.


12 posted on 07/21/2009 4:53:13 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: arthurus
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13 posted on 07/22/2009 11:58:19 AM PDT by SC DOC
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